Didn't Genesis Make Clear That God Doesn't Protect Against Snakes? - Religion, God, and Theology

Snake handlers, who follow a literal interpretation of the King James Bible, base their belief on Mark 16: 17-18, which reads: "And these signs shall follow them that believe; in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

And it sounds like he knew the risks, and being healed was against his religion, of course. Darwin award anyone? Or maybe it's another biblical misinterpretation issue and 'take up' actually means 'beat with a stick until dead'.

This is the bit that's the most indicative of current problems IMO:

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Since 1940, it has been illegal in Kentucky to handle poisonous snakes in religious services, but serious attempts to enforce the law ended decades ago because of reluctance by authorities to prosecute people for their religious beliefs.

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02-17-2014 , 07:11 PM

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Ya but mightyboosh, if you clamp down on people's religious right to risk their lives with poisonous snakes, what's next? Forcing people to make cakes for gay weddings?

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02-17-2014 , 07:37 PM

Roonil Wazlib

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Translating between two modern languages has tons of problems, I can only imagine how many errors there would be between however many (dead) languages over however many hundreds of years.

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02-17-2014 , 08:32 PM

BeaucoupFish

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That pastor was not a real Christian.

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02-18-2014 , 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/16/us/sna...n-pastor-bite/

Your carnal mind is amusing.

Here is a good one for you to consider: Adam and Eve did not eat an apple or banana or whatever...

the fruit was a sexual sin of some sort, likely sodomy of some sort. It was an unclean act they committed which moved them from the presence of God and made them ashamed of their naked bodies.

Ah, I can't waste much time with the carnal minded. The harvest is too ripe and my efforts needs to go elsewhere.

Keep searching David!

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02-18-2014 , 12:46 AM

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Ya but mightyboosh, if you clamp down on people's religious right to risk their lives with poisonous snakes, what's next? Forcing people to make cakes for gay weddings?

Venomous snakes /nitmode

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02-18-2014 , 01:05 AM

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hmmm....

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02-18-2014 , 05:38 PM

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Handlers need to balance their range.

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02-18-2014 , 05:40 PM

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"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God"

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02-18-2014 , 05:48 PM

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Good moment to ask about the origin of snakes. According to my son's third grade teacher, lizards became snakes not by evolving but as punishment for the fall. A lizard tempted Eve with the apple, and afterwards was punished by God to crawl on the ground and eat dust all of his days as a snake.

But most accounts indicate it was a serpent that tempted Eve. So how did it exist already?

Anyone?

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02-18-2014 , 05:53 PM

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Tarantino-style broken chronological order. Soon it will be revealed that we are in fact in Eden and that quest for advancement and knowledge was the apple and hubris the leaf.

Spoiler:

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02-19-2014 , 12:29 AM

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I'll take "The OT is a load of jumbled up ancient myths".

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02-19-2014 , 12:31 AM

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Been taking lessons from Dawkins and Krauss?

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02-19-2014 , 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish

That pastor was not a real Christian.

Wow, and who has given you the right to judge other people's faith?

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02-19-2014 , 05:56 AM

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Wow, and who has given you the right to judge other people's faith?

We are supposed to discern the spirits, my friend.

Anyone that tells you to not judge is usually living in a fantasy world, full of sin. They say that to justify their stupid living and corrupt ways. Do you ever see a righteous man (God says nobody is good, according to His standards) on this planet that tells you not to judge?

Like that knucklehead with the snake, the fantasy land will eventually end and the bill has to be paid.

Those of you that don't believe in an afterlife or judgement are the biggest suckers around this planet and are living out a big delusion.

Discover the color red and you might get a new life.

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02-19-2014 , 06:24 AM

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Wow, and who has given you the right to judge other people's faith?

God?

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Been taking lessons from Dawkins and Krauss?

Maybe he just likes to mock the foolish things people do because of their religious beliefs. Maybe he still thinks that mockery is an effective form of argument against something. Who knows, he made the thread and hasn't posted on it since.

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Handlers need to balance their range.

Agree, he bluffed one too many times.

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"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God"

How does one tempt God?

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02-19-2014 , 12:26 PM

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Maybe he just likes to mock the foolish things people do because of their religious beliefs. Maybe he still thinks that mockery is an effective form of argument against something.

Um, well, yeah, I think that's pretty much what I just said.

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02-19-2014 , 02:57 PM

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Been taking lessons from Dawkins and Krauss?

The title was just meant to be cute. But surely you don't think that his refusal to be treated was anything but pure idiocy. Although I do think that act may have saved future lives.

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02-19-2014 , 06:23 PM

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The title was just meant to be cute. But surely you don't think that his refusal to be treated was anything but pure idiocy. Although I do think that act may have saved future lives.

I was talking about picking low hanging fruit - a Dawkins specialty.

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02-19-2014 , 06:42 PM

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Um, well, yeah, I think that's pretty much what I just said.

You missed out Hitchens. Have you ever wondered why it is that atheism might provide a feeling of superiority? And why theism engenders mockery?

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02-19-2014 , 07:04 PM

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You missed out Hitchens. Have you ever wondered why it is that atheism might provide a feeling of superiority? And why theism engenders mockery?

Why is it that atheism might provide a feeling of superiority?

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02-19-2014 , 07:33 PM

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I was talking about picking low hanging fruit - a Dawkins specialty.

For those who might miss it. Not Ready with this post admits the pastor's actions, and thus his beliefs, were ridiculous.

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02-19-2014 , 08:13 PM

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Why is it that atheism might provide a feeling of superiority?

Being right, I guess.

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02-19-2014 , 08:35 PM

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Being right, I guess.

So if you are right, you are superior? interesting

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