Jesus said that people who are like children are going to heaven implying children go to heaven.

The Bible also indicates that children are regarded as being innocent because of their lack of ability to discern between good and evil:

"Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it. "(Deuteronomy 1:39)

I was brought up as a Jew. I feel indoctrinated, although I am convinced my parents were doing it for my best interest. Hopefully society will change...

Not going to respond out of respect for jokerthief. If you want to start a baby bashing apologetic thread I'll definitely participate.

I'm just pointing out what you overlooked.

This is like the 4th or 5th thread you've started about your de-conversion. How many times are you going to de-convert?

See, this is not even close to being true. Christians are just not honest.

I'm waiting for when Splendour creates a deconversion thread.

Nah, I'm bored.

It amazes me people on here are so literal minded it never even occurs to them that God could have guided evolution.

As if everything in life was an either/or situation.

This is simply incorrect. Evolution doesn't try to explain the origins, only the process. It's the religious knuckleheads who've skipped that part. For you to bring that up is disingenuous and you know it.

I'm not sure what point you're making.

Almost every atheist posting here thinks its an evolution vs. God situation.

They never think it's evolution + God. Even after pointing out some of the people that really know evolution and genetics are believers like Collins, Dobzhansky and Mendel (the father of genetics, a Catholic priest).

Wow, you're actually so bored you're trying to goad me into it by calling me ignorant. Sweet. I will not comment further on this matter (in this thread), so I'll simply post some Bible quotes, and everyone can decide on their on accord:

1 Samuel 15:2,3
This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'

Hosea 13:16
16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open."

Psalm 137:9
9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Completely wrong. Evolution could be proved wrong tomorrow and it still doesn't add evidence to any god claim.

I know you don't have any respect for God. You're making the blasphemous category error of thinking you can judge Him.

You're the created being. He's the Creator. You're not his equal to judge Him. You are not his peer. Have you ever heard the expression "a jury of your peers".

God has always had power over life and death. And you want to find fault with Him.

The fact that you don't have power over life and death should inform you that you are not in His category to judge Him.

As for Psalm 137 that is the Jews bewailing their captivity.

I'll take that as you admitting defeat.

I'm not.

God has foreknowledge. He could know things about those babies I will never know.

To a Christian to die is gain.

I'm taking that as you admitting defeat too.

You're basically saying that God could fellate every male infant on earth and then strangle them to death, and you'd be like "Well, he knows best."

I'm not defeated because you have an image to protect.

I'm leaving the thread because I was asked to.

I just couldn't leave your last statement unattended.

A category mistake, or category error, is a semantic or ontological error in which "things of one kind are presented as if they belonged to another",[1] or, alternatively, a property is ascribed to a thing that could not possibly have that property.

Nah, pretty sure you are.

Thank you.

Today's word of the day is....

Just because you have power over someone, it doesn't give you the right to do whatever you like to them, without being judged.

Why is there even a devil in the bible?
how could God be more evil? God commands the slaughtering of children and the rape of woman, plus eternal punishment for the sins of your parents.

If you could create people, would that give you the right to torture them to death?

Sry, can't take any more posts.

Said I would leave the thread.

It amazes me people on here are so literal minded it never even occurs to them that subatomic pixies could hold molecules together.

Why do people keep posting towards me when I've been asked to leave a thread.

Did the bible mention atoms? Atoms aren't visible to the eye.

Hebrews 11:3 "By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible."

Quote from a discussion on the bible and atoms:

1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

the word for moment is the greek atomos meaning the most refined point in time, the twinkling of any eye or split second. though in that day they did not know an atom could be opened, nor did they realize what an atom itself is comprised of, they didn't know everything molecular was made up of atoms... the word means simplicity in the utmost, it can't be broken down any further.

Does the bible talk about the atom at all?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...6214220AALTtpl

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As for the other torture focused questions in the thread.

The reasons for the wars in the Old Testament were because the Isaelites refused to draw near and listen to God at Mount Sinai. They rejected the Sword of the Spirit in favor of a literal sword by their lack of obedience.

1 John 5:3
"This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome"

Dr. Stephen E. Jones explains how the Israelites lack of obedience led to warfare:

"The only reason God gave Israel a physical sword to establish that first “Kingdom of God” was because the people had rejected the Sword of the Spirit at Mount Sinai. They had rejected the voice of God at Mount Sinai, when God spoke to the people verbally, and all of them heard His voice (Deut. 4:12). But they were afraid and hardened their hearts from hearing the voice of God (Ps. 95:7-11; Heb. 3:7-11). They all ran away and told Moses to go up the mount by himself and then return and tell them what God said (Ex. 20:19).

This great event, where everyone had the opportunity to hear the voice of God, was later celebrated as the “feast of weeks of the first-fruits of wheat harvest” (Ex. 34:22). Many years later, this was called in the Greek language, “Pentecost.”

The point is that the Israelites in Joshua's day rejected Pentecost, and therefore, they refused the Sword of the Spirit by which they could have converted Canaan and the rest of the world. And so, that great sword was largely withheld from men until Acts 2, when Pentecost was finally fulfilled and the sword of their mouth was made manifest as all men heard the voice of God in their own language.

At the base of Mount Sinai, the people worshipped the golden calf, and as a result, the Levites used their physical swords to kill 3,000 men (Ex. 32:28). What would have happened, if those Levites had had the Sword of the Spirit at their disposal?? Look at Acts 2. The 120 disciples in the upper room were willing to hear the voice of God. God gave them the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word from the mouth that is like a sharp sword (Rev. 19:15). This is the Sword Paul mentioned in Eph. 6:17, saying,

17 And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God.

The disciples took their spiritual swords down from the upper room and used it on 3,000 men in the streets below them. Acts 2:41 tells us the result:

41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

This is what would have happened at the base of Mount Sinai, if the Levites had used better weapons. But their rejection of the voice of Jesus Christ speaking to them from the fire on Sinai deprived them of this better and more effective weapon. This is Jesus' weapon as well, as we read in Rev. 19:15,

15 And from His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may smite the nations; and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.

All of this shows us why Jesus did not come as a conquering warrior, but as a Prince of Peace. It explains why Jesus (Yashua, or Joshua) did not seem to fit the pattern of the Old Testament Joshua. The reason Joshua was given a physical sword was NOT because God loves bloodshed. It was NOT because God hated Canaanites. It was NOT even because the Canaanite religion was so wicked. It was Israel's fault for refusing to hear the voice of God. Thus, they were left with a very dull weapon that could never divide soul from spirit or discern the thoughts and intents of the heart (Heb. 4:12). -end quote


More details here: CHAPTER 2 The Nature of Spiritual Warfare

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.o...ter.cfm?CID=79

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood
but against the rulers, against the powers,
against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness
in heavenly places.”
Ephesians 6:12, NASB[/U]

Splendour, I'm not going to respond to this, umm, "reasoning" here, but please...please start some threads on this. It would be, lets say, interesting...

Pixies! That's just crazy talk. Everyone knows molecules are held together by adolescent leprechauns.

Nah, I'm not going to debate. I just like to inform people. I was a Christian for a long time before I read the bible scholar Dr. Stephen E. Jones who pointed out that war continues in the world from the disobedience at Mount Sinai.

Unfortunately, this is very key information that most churchs don't make available because it's easy to blame problems on human nature or over literalize the text.

However a complete defense of God's character requires I reveal it.

I'm not going to debate because I'm in the process of unifying my spiritual character. Matthew Henry explains it in his commentary on Ephesians 4.

Quote: The means of unity: Lowliness and meekness, long-suffering, and forbearing one another in love, v. 2. By lowliness we are to understand humility, entertaining mean thoughts of ourselves, which is opposed to pride. By meekness, that excellent disposition of soul which makes men unwilling to provoke others, and not easily to be provoked or offended with their infirmities; and it is opposed to angry resentments and peevishness. Long-suffering implies a patient bearing of injuries, without seeking revenge. Forbearing one another in love signifies bearing their infirmities out of a principle of love, and so as not to cease to love them on the account of these. The best Christians have need to bear one with another, and to make the best one of another, to provoke one another’s graces and not their passions.

Only by pride comes contention; only by humility comes love.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/comme...ans/4.html?p=2

That's fine, but discuss what you want to discuss in your own thread. I'm not going to respond to your tripe in this one.