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09-12-2009 , 08:42 PM

BrianTheMick

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See title. Use small words. Do not quote others. Do not explain your reasoning on your first post. Do not post the consequenses of your definition. Feel free to elaborate once commented upon by others.

This should be fun.

Feel free to pray for me, and quote random biblical passages, but do so in another thread. I will create one for you, right after I post this one.

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09-12-2009 , 08:57 PM

JustSayNotoNWO

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick

lol u got too many rules for this to even closely resemble fun imo.

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09-12-2009 , 09:09 PM

Jibninjas

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Originally Posted by JustSayNotoNWO

lol u got too many rules for this to even closely resemble fun imo.

I had fun reading the rules

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09-12-2009 , 09:11 PM

Jibninjas

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Also,

The ability to either follow God's will or not to follow God's will.

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09-12-2009 , 09:17 PM

JustSayNotoNWO

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lol jib. ok i will try for a lil fun here. I know this isnt really anything to do with your post intention but im a sucker for breaking the occasional rule. just one quick thing and I will bow out of this thread. u say "feel free to pray for me" im curious to know why praying for yourself isnt enough? or in godland would i just pray for you because i got nuthin better to do or does it have some value in your opinion?

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09-12-2009 , 09:20 PM

FlopYouDead

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The individual responsibility to make one's own choices, and the inherent ability to make those decisions.

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09-12-2009 , 09:22 PM

EvilSteve

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The ability to make decisions that are surprising to God, even though God knows everything.

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09-12-2009 , 09:24 PM

Jibninjas

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Originally Posted by EvilSteve

The ability to make decisions that are surprising to God, even though God knows everything.

This is a whole other thread. A favorite of mine as I am very alone in my stance.

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09-12-2009 , 09:35 PM

tame_deuces

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Nonsensical term usually deliberately kept undefined both by those who support it and those who oppose it so their arguments are beyond reproach.

Strongly connected to "will" which is even worse because it is never defined but simply assumed to be.

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09-12-2009 , 09:36 PM

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EvilSteve

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

This is a whole other thread. A favorite of mine as I am very alone in my stance.

I won't do it tonight probably, but I've been thinking of making a thread detailing my thoughts on free will, since I sincerely don't understand what it could mean. Unless it refers to randomness, in which case God's judgment based on our exercise of free will would be utterly bizarre (heads: go to heaven, tails: go to hell). Theists and atheists talk around each other on this topic all the time, both sides convinced the other is spouting nonsense.

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09-12-2009 , 10:00 PM

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jason1990

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Originally Posted by EvilSteve

I won't do it tonight probably, but I've been thinking of making a thread detailing my thoughts on free will, since I sincerely don't understand what it could mean. Unless it refers to randomness

Randomness is not so easy to define either.

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09-12-2009 , 10:26 PM

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BrianTheMick

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Originally Posted by JustSayNotoNWO

lol u got too many rules for this to even closely resemble fun imo.

I didn't specify that who it would be fun for. Mostly, me, I guess.

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09-12-2009 , 10:27 PM

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BrianTheMick

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Originally Posted by JustSayNotoNWO

See non-sequitor thread. Funny tho.

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09-13-2009 , 12:34 AM

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Pog0

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Free Will: the ability to circumvent cause and effect.

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09-13-2009 , 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick

Free Will - Illusion

... obv there's no such thing as free will. even if there was, you would have no choice but to have it---but you don't.

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09-13-2009 , 12:52 AM

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Randomness is not so easy to define either.

nh. Randomness is another of those abstractions that may have no meaning outside of our minds. Information theory defines a random message as a message that cannot be sent in any fewer bytes--if I have that correct. And THAT is now considered the best definition of random--again if I have it correct. I really don't know what random may mean except in the old sense of human ignorance. And I don't think anybody else does either.

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09-13-2009 , 01:05 AM

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Freewill

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09-13-2009 , 01:24 PM

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redundant

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09-13-2009 , 03:54 PM

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Free Will: The idea that there is potentially an inherent level of randomness associated with every decision a conscious being has to make such that the decision is not entirely deterministic. Randomness, in this sense, meaning that there exists something outside of cause and effect capable of arbitrarily altering the resulting decision such that the decision is not entirely predictable given perfect information.

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09-13-2009 , 04:26 PM

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KikoSanchez

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Originally Posted by FlopYouDead

The individual responsibility to make one's own choices, and the inherent ability to make those decisions.

Not sure what the first half means, but as to the 2nd half, can't computers do this?

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09-13-2009 , 04:28 PM

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KikoSanchez

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Originally Posted by Pog0

Free Will: the ability to circumvent cause and effect.

I like dis one best so far, though it could be worded more precisely in regards to the topic.

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09-14-2009 , 01:41 AM

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Something that does not exist, as we are just a bunch of molecules and chemical reactions that were bound to happen due to the way the universe was created. I had no choice in typing this.