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10-31-2009 , 01:18 PM
What would you do if God came down and told you Christianity was wrong?
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10-31-2009 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
What would you do if God came down and told you Christianity was wrong?
They're burn him as a witch, ldo.
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10-31-2009 , 01:34 PM
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10-31-2009 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
What would you do if God came down and told you Christianity was wrong?
We then ask Him what is Right.

Easy game

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10-31-2009 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Aigyptos
We then ask Him what is Right.

Easy game

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So if some being came down to earth, did a few parlor tricks, said he was God and then told everyone the bible wasn't about him. None of the fundamentalists would say he was the Antichrist or the Devil. Hard to believe.
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10-31-2009 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
So if some being came down to earth, did a few parlor tricks, said he was God and then told everyone the bible wasn't about him. None of the fundamentalists would say he was the Antichrist or the Devil. Hard to believe.
That's a different question then the OP
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10-31-2009 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
That's a different question then the OP
Not really.

here fix FMP anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aigyptos
We then ask Him what is Right.

Easy game

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So if God told everyone the bible (which is Christianity) wasn't about him. None of the fundamentalists would say he was the Antichrist or the Devil. Hard to believe.

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10-31-2009 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Not really.

here fix FMP anyway.



So if God told everyone the bible (which is Christianity) wasn't about him. None of the fundamentalists would say he was the Antichrist or the Devil. Hard to believe.
Well he said God, and you said some being who did parlor tricks. Very different.

The OP assumes (at least by the way that it is worded) that God was able to prove that he was God.

If God came down in human form again (ie Jesus) then yes it is very probable that many would still reject him. Now if God came down as God in all his glory I don't know that anyone would be able to not know that it was God.
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10-31-2009 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
Well he said God, and you said some being who did parlor tricks. Very different.
No i said some being who said he was God.
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The OP assumes (at least by the way that it is worded) that God was able to prove that he was God.
That' s why i added the parlor tricks.

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If God came down in human form again (ie Jesus) then yes it is very probable that many would still reject him. Now if God came down as God in all his glory I don't know that anyone would be able to not know that it was God.
The Antichrist is supposed to imitate and pass himself off as God. If A real God came down some would think he was the Antichrist. Especially if that God said Christianity (the bible) was bunk.

Last edited by batair; 10-31-2009 at 06:02 PM.
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10-31-2009 , 06:52 PM
a new religion would develop, just as christianity came about through judaism. christians like to forget that they are just jews who disagree with other jews. lol
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10-31-2009 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
The OP assumes (at least by the way that it is worded) that God was able to prove that he was God.
Yeah, it was a quickly written OP and I didn't mean that you would know 100% it was the real thing. Sorry about that.

Basically, sky opens up and what looks like you'd think was "God" (as you were trained to believe ) and says "Christianity is False!!"

What do you do from there? Do you find excuses to remain a Christian and stick to your beliefs? Do you believe the God-looking thing right away? Do you question your own mental health?

The OP was meant to question exactly how dogmatic Christianity is. You see, this is an easy answer when it's the other way. If he opens the clouds and says "Christianity is True!!", almost every non-Christian converts. That would be the OPPOSITE or dogma.
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10-31-2009 , 09:44 PM
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The OP was meant to question exactly how dogmatic Christianity is. You see, this is an easy answer when it's the other way. If he opens the clouds and says "Christianity is True!!", almost every non-Christian converts. That would be the OPPOSITE or dogma.
People are dogmatic. If this happened you would have the exact same reaction as if the previous scenario. Atheists would be declaring mass hallucinations and people of other religions would find various excuses as well.

I have no doubt this would happen on both sides. Which is why I also don't believe this myth that scientist love to be proven wrong. This may be true for some, but for the masses this is just about as far fetched as they come.

As for me, I try to have as very little (I try for none but it doesn't always happen that way) dogmatic beliefs. One thing that I do hold strongly to to the point sometimes of being dogmatic is that God is love. So if this happened and God said, "I am God now go rape that little girl over there" then I would probably find an excuse as to why he is not God.
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10-31-2009 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
Atheists would be declaring mass hallucinations
Give me an effing breeaaak.

A. American atheists would, in this particular situation, probably be high-fiving each other. I mean, sure, we were wrong, but at least the Christians were, too. And he called them out! FACE!

B. The number of atheists actually doing what you're claiming would probably be extremely small. Like, sub-1% if I had to guess. The number of religious people making similar claims might be a little higher only because of the potential for them to believe that it's some sort of test from the actual God. I recall a very religious Jew once telling me that he would not convert if Jesus came down from the heavens. I was a 17 year old prick who gave 0% thought to the idea that I might be wrong about something, but I still remember thinking that was absurd.
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11-01-2009 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
I have no doubt this would happen on both sides. Which is why I also don't believe this myth that scientist love to be proven wrong.
Something I think intelligent people tend to realize: Being right is boring. Being proven wrong is very exciting/interesting/or at least amusing. I would also say that we learn more about reality when we find out we're wrong about something than when it's confirmed that we were right all along. Scientists tend to be intelligent people who are very interested in learning more about reality. Therefore it should not surprise us at all that scientists tend to love being wrong more than the average joe.

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This may be true for some, but for the masses this is just about as far fetched as they come.
Ldo, the average Joe cares more about being right than actually learning something.
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11-01-2009 , 12:06 AM
What if you are wrong........and the only way you can know the truth is to believe and obey first Romans 10:9,10?
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11-01-2009 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
So if some being came down to earth, did a few parlor tricks, said he was God and then told everyone the bible wasn't about him. None of the fundamentalists would say he was the Antichrist or the Devil. Hard to believe.
That will happen in the future by the way, someone is going to do great signs and miracles but they will not be in harmony with the principles of the bible, and since no one really cares about accuracy they will be tricked....

Its happening today on a smaller scale, test runs you might say, Benny Hinn is one of the false ones... There are many others.......
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11-01-2009 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
I have no doubt this would happen on both sides. Which is why I also don't believe this myth that scientist love to be proven wrong.
I don't either, btw. Luckily there is more than one scientist.
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11-01-2009 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Basically, sky opens up and what looks like you'd think was "God" (as you were trained to believe ) and says "Christianity is False!!"

What do you do from there?
Nothing, I don't even know what that means. "Christianity?" Just generally? Is this entity saying Jesus doesn't exist?

I don't think God "looks like" anything, so, I'd wonder how the hoax was pulled off.
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11-01-2009 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxising
I don't think God "looks like" anything, so, I'd wonder how the hoax was pulled off.
I wonder if anyone said that to Jesus.
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11-01-2009 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
Something I think intelligent people tend to realize: Being right is boring. Being proven wrong is very exciting/interesting/or at least amusing. I would also say that we learn more about reality when we find out we're wrong about something than when it's confirmed that we were right all along. Scientists tend to be intelligent people who are very interested in learning more about reality. Therefore it should not surprise us at all that scientists tend to love being wrong more than the average joe.



Ldo, the average Joe cares more about being right than actually learning something.
I am a scientist and I have worked with scientists all of my life. Scientists do not like being wrong. They like everyone else to be wrong while they are right. Scientists have egos as much or more than anyone else.
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11-01-2009 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RLK
I am a scientist and I have worked with scientists all of my life. Scientists do not like being wrong. They like everyone else to be wrong while they are right. Scientists have egos as much or more than anyone else.
Thanks, RLK. I'm sure you do good work.

Thanks for that, too.
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11-01-2009 , 01:27 AM
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I am a scientist and I have worked with scientists all of my life. Scientists do not like being wrong. They like everyone else to be wrong while they are right. Scientists have egos as much or more than anyone else.
I would still bet that a higher % of scientists enjoy being wrong vs the overall population. All I have is armchair logic to back this up though. Would you agree with that claim? I agree that the "Scientists love being wrong" meme is a myth.
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11-01-2009 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
I would still bet that a higher % of scientists enjoy being wrong vs the overall population. All I have is armchair logic to back this up though. Would you agree with that claim? I agree that the "Scientists love being wrong" meme is a myth.
Agree with your first sentence, but only because I disagree with the last sentence. It is certainly not 100% of them that love being wrong, but I think a distinction might need to be made - they are a bit more guarded about accepting being wrong when someone ELSE proves their work wrong than when they do it themselves.
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11-01-2009 , 01:49 AM
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I would still bet that a higher % of scientists enjoy being wrong vs the overall population. .
No, not a chance. Everything depends on them being right - their job, their funding, their position in science culture. Screw up once in public - that's it - you are the new in-joke.
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11-01-2009 , 02:33 AM
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No, not a chance. Everything depends on them being right - their job, their funding, their position in science culture. Screw up once in public - that's it - you are the new in-joke.
lol what. are you seriously this stupid? what makes you think the general population gets the nod here, EVER? scientists are the ONLY people i have ever heard promoting the idea of loving to be wrong. regardless of what % you think it is, saying they enjoy it less than the general public is clearly moronic. science is the only thing i can think of off the top of my head where being wrong is 99% of the time a good thing - it has just increased our body of knowledge.

also, please cite your ******edness about a scientists job being threatened because he was wrong. and no, cases where falsifying data was included does not count for this. neither do anecdotes from the 15th century where a king had his scientist beheaded for not predicting accurately where jupiter would be.
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