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The confusion about "morality" and what it means with God (but not to God) The confusion about "morality" and what it means with God (but not to God)

04-26-2011 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
I don't think it's just a label game. Burnt into Christianity is the notion that we are fallen, that wrongdoing (which Christians call sin) is inevitable, that we have no hope to live moral lives, and that God will judge us and damn us.

There is so much that is wrong and cynical about that story. Evolution has given us moral intuitions (Robert Wright does a great job setting this out in "The Moral Animal". We are capable of intuiting and reasoning moral rules, and we have no need whatsoever for a God to do it. Annd many, many people engage in acts of good without any cynical promise of some reward.

Humans and humanity are wonderful. We aren't fallen and we aren't hopeless and we don't need some cosmic disciplinarian to get us to understand right and wrong.

Christianity is a form of dystopianism.
I disagree. We do need a cosmic disciplinarian and some people are not accepting responsibility for their own behaviors because they have been trying to rule people with science and medicine for a while instead of expecting people to self evaluate and take control of themselves. A lot of personal control is now being deeded over to experts on the flimsiest of pretexts sometimes. I wonder how many people go to a doctor for a pill on the flimsiest recommendation from a friend rather than taking the road of introspection and prayer recommended by religion. How many of those people needed to take pills at all.

Thomas Szasz has some interesting ideas on all this and on the "myth of mental illness":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz
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04-26-2011 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I wonder how many people go to a doctor for a pill on the flimsiest recommendation from a friend rather than taking the road of introspection and prayer recommended by religion. How many of those people needed to take pills at all.

Thomas Szasz has some interesting ideas on all this and on the "myth of mental illness":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz
I've heard Tom Cruise say the exact same thing. Have you thought about converting to scientology?
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04-27-2011 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Janabis
I've heard Tom Cruise say the exact same thing. Have you thought about converting to scientology?
No I have no interest in scientology.

But as you know so much about it perhaps you should consider it.

I rather like the wiki link on Szasz. "Pharmacratic" has quite a ring to it don't you think?
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