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07-16-2012 , 06:26 AM
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No, not necessarily, but it is as far as I'm concerned.



Sure, and there could be 50 gods up in heaven pitting different sects of people against each other throughout history, but that's just mindless, baseless speculation as is what you're saying.



If you believe the poll was flawed, please post your evidence. Otherwise, I have no idea what your point is.
I don't believe the poll was flawed because I don't have enough info one way or the other to draw a conclusion on it.

I already stated my point above:
Polls affect people's perception.

People should be aware that they don't have all the info on these polls. Polls are deceptive. It doesn't even occur to the average layman that they can contain errors or be skewed by the people administering them.
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07-16-2012 , 06:31 AM
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Polls affect people's perception.
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And?

If in fact polls do affect people's perception that would have no impact on the validity of that poll's results, which happened before perceptions were altered
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07-16-2012 , 06:34 AM
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No, but it would impact validity on successive polls.
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07-16-2012 , 10:50 AM
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No, but it would impact validity on successive polls.
No it wouldn't. If people's views are impacted by polls, subsequent polls reflect that shift in opinion. It has no effect on their validity because they are measuring what polls measure, a snapshot of average opinion at that time. It doesn't matter whether people changed their opinion because of previous polling data or because people around them changed. The shifts in public opinion would occur in the absence of polling. As I said, this is very often a good thing, especially when it's dispensing entrenched bigotry.
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07-16-2012 , 11:27 AM
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No it wouldn't. If people's views are impacted by polls, subsequent polls reflect that shift in opinion. It has no effect on their validity because they are measuring what polls measure, a snapshot of average opinion at that time. It doesn't matter whether people changed their opinion because of previous polling data or because people around them changed. The shifts in public opinion would occur in the absence of polling. As I said, this is very often a good thing, especially when it's dispensing entrenched bigotry.
Polls are like voting.

People don't really reflect on things like they should.

If there are 3 candidates and one is a Republican and one a Democrat and one an Independent and a lot of voters like the Independent candidate more than the Republican or Democrat ones they oftentimes won't vote Independent because they think they aren't backing a person with a realistic chance of winning.

Very few will go out and work to ensure the Independent candidate wins. They'd rather give up and follow the herd.
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07-16-2012 , 12:08 PM
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Polls are like voting.

People don't really reflect on things like they should.

If there are 3 candidates and one is a Republican and one a Democrat and one an Independent and a lot of voters like the Independent candidate more than the Republican or Democrat ones they oftentimes won't vote Independent because they think they aren't backing a person with a realistic chance of winning.

Very few will go out and work to ensure the Independent candidate wins. They'd rather give up and follow the herd.
That's a horrible analogy. Hopefully you see why.
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07-16-2012 , 12:11 PM
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Could be.

Still there's some truth to it.

If there wasn't then why is image so important to candidates?

It's all manipulation of public perception. Just like polls have the capacity to do.

People hate to be outcasts so they allow peer pressure to undermine themselves.

But Jesus came so nobody had to be an outcast.
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07-16-2012 , 12:36 PM
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If a poll shows that you are more bigoted (eg against interracial marriage) or more ignorant (eg believing the Earth is flat) than the rest of the population, then you should feel unsettled at being an outcast.
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07-16-2012 , 12:43 PM
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If a poll shows that you are more bigoted (eg against interracial marriage) or more ignorant (eg believing the Earth is flat) than the rest of the population, then you should feel unsettled at being an outcast.
I don't take people's opinions as seriously as you do.

In the end people's opinions aren't going to count. I'm going to face my Maker all alone.
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07-16-2012 , 01:42 PM
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Polls are like voting.

People don't really reflect on things like they should.

If there are 3 candidates and one is a Republican and one a Democrat and one an Independent and a lot of voters like the Independent candidate more than the Republican or Democrat ones they oftentimes won't vote Independent because they think they aren't backing a person with a realistic chance of winning.

Very few will go out and work to ensure the Independent candidate wins. They'd rather give up and follow the herd.
Thank you for trying to demonstrate how polls are like voting. Are the polls in your scenario below the democrat, the republican or the independent? When someone asks you a question, how does one answer in a way to be like someone backing the independent candidate?
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