in USA Gallup Poll
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...llup-poll?lite

Most of the comments following the article are RGT like.

This isn't too surprisng. The US is has turned generally pessimistic about institutional everything. (See Tea Party.)

Also, from the article:

I wonder if they asked how Americans feel about Gallup polls.

There's also this:

I wonder what a poll of Europe would have shown re the people's confidence in the Catholic Church a few years before the Reformation.

No i_nstitution IS Christianity.

Edit: We should start using _for those stupid embedded ads.

Not to get too political in RGT, but it is interesting to observe that we have a Mormon Republican candidate seriously considering a pro-choice VP for the ticket. The religious right has been increasingly losing importance (at least as perceived by the party) over the last 10-years.

Coincidence? Maybe.

Polls are just another way to control the thinking of the masses and make people think it's inevitable that people go in one direction when in actuality people can always change directions. Too bad nobody can see the actual minds, motive and intents of the people behind all these polls.

Propaganda's really just psychological warfare by who knows who for who knows what purposes.

Of course, in the end, God's going to prevail no matter which direction this world goes in for better or for worse.

You can prove anything with facts.

They're talking about the lives of people and implying conclusions like they are final when they poll them.

But people can always change. We have the freewill to change on things if our free minds aren't tampered with.

You ought to be bothered by all the polling because what it means is someone is trying to figure out where and when he can manipulate people.

All this polling is serving what purpose?

So you can end up controlled just like everyone else by who knows who for who knows what purpose.

A poll is just taking people's opinions at a particular time. I don't know why you're getting so paranoid about the results.

Well actually I do, it's just because you don't like the result. If a poll showed religious beliefs were increasing or confidence in religion was increasing you wouldn't have posted all the paranoid claptrap that you have.

Agreed people can change, for example the link in the OP shows a 16 point reduction in the last 10 Years

Yeah, it looks like the Great Apostasy then Christ comes and the world is onto bigger and better things.

Hosea 14:8-9: 8 Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.

9 Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the Lord are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.

I'm not at all paranoid.

I'm looking forward to the Second Coming of Christ.

The bigger the falling away the sooner he'll come imo.

You better use your brain and think about who uses polls the most. It's the politicians. Are you really naiive enough to think a politician has your best interests at heart? Those politicians are few and far between. Winning elections today is mostly all about publicity and money and making sure nobody gets wind of your dirty laundry.

So am I. If Christ comes and I've been ignorant all this time then maaaan, that's just so ****ed up in sooo many ways

I don't understand what you're talking about. Polls are nothing more than a snapshot of current opinion. No one claims they're final or authoritative.

Well I would say there are people in this thread implying that they are.

Who is? You can look at historical trends by polling and see that secularism is on the rise, especially in Western Europe. Whether that trend continues or changes course remains to be seen.

I suggest you ask them.

It's my impression from the general comments and most likely the reason the poll was presented at all.

People post polls because they think they're significant or why post one?

Some people like following crowds. They will change their opinions just because they're in the minority and don't like being unpopular. They're weak under peer pressure.

Exodus Ch.23:2-3:
Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong.

Polls are significant. What's your point? They mean exactly what they mean, average opinion at the time the poll was taken.

My point is just what I posted above.

How much of people's changeableness is affected and who are the people controlling it and why?

Ask yourself those questions.

Christians believe the devil tries to run the world.

You can go with the world's flow (the devil) or you can go with God against the flow.

It's your pick which current you get caught up in.

See the chart below for an example of the two powers:
http://www.new-testament-christian.com/HolySpirit.html

Um, none and no one?

Your concern is both unfounded and meaningless without context. For example, let's say that 30 years ago, polling indicated people were becoming more tolerant of interracial marriage. If that influences others to change their stance, than that is good, because it is diminishing bigotry. Same with polls on other issues like slavery, gay marriage, etc.

They can poll all they want. It doesn't necessarily mean society is advancing though or that all polls are being used for benign intentions.

They can rig polls and sometime polls can be wrong from various types of error.

They're not sacrosanct y'know.

For example wiki describes the following:

Wording of questions

It is well established that the wording of the questions, the order in which they are asked and the number and form of alternative answers offered can influence results of polls. For instance, the public is more likely to indicate support for a person who is described by the operator as one of the "leading candidates". This support itself overrides subtle bias for one candidate, as does lumping some candidates in an "other" category or vice versa. Thus comparisons between polls often boil down to the wording of the question. On some issues, question wording can result in quite pronounced differences between surveys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion...for_inaccuracy

But anyways polls really don't matter much to me one way or the other....I believe the ultimate fate of the world is in God's hands not mankind's.


Psalm 118:8-9 (KJV)

8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.

God shouldn't even have created Polls knowing they would be fixed against him in the future!

What if God's behind the polls?

God and the Spider Web:
http://www.promiseofgod.com/godspider/

God rigging polls imo.

Then God is a Jerk

No, not necessarily, but it is as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, and there could be 50 gods up in heaven pitting different sects of people against each other throughout history, but that's just mindless, baseless speculation as is what you're saying.

If you believe the poll was flawed, please post your evidence. Otherwise, I have no idea what your point is.