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07-04-2010 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sickofants
I'm sorry, but if they scored at 52:30, then they scored in the 53rd reason. Or are we in the 20th century? IDK.

If you're looking for signs, you're probably going to find them pretty easily, even if they're not there.
Ehm, didn't understand what u just wrote there. And I hope that the 2nd sentence is pointed at Bigerf or i just don't know what to tell your imbecile ass.
07-04-2010 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MindOnMind
You actually have to make a thread about such a SMALL coincidence?
There ARE no small coeeenceedences and big coeeenceedences. Just coeeeenceedences!
07-04-2010 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tao1
Thanks for the response. Am I oversimplifying if I say that you think something is a sign because it feels right and interpretit it in a similar fashion?
Now, Im not trying to put you down or be negative here, there is nothing wrong with that. But do you understand that it is not going to help anyone else who doesnt feel that way?
The definition of coincidence is a sequence of events that although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged. The problem that I have with this is that whoever did the defining uses “although accidental” to cut off any other explanations. If a sequence of events play out in such a way that they “seem to have been planned or arranged” then why couldn’t they have been? Who says it was an accident? And what credentials does the definer have that allows them to tell me that what I experience in my own life is nothing but a bunch of accidents that seem to have been planned or arranged? And is the reason that you view them in this way because the definition tells you that they’re accidents?

It’s all about stepping outside of the secular box. Isn’t the goal here to search and find the truth? Well does the truth stop at the dictionaries definitions?

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As for your satan counter, I dont see how that says anything to the argument I made, or how it says anything at all really.
Let me try again. There is this boy Dave in this alternate universe. There the creator-meddler God (lets call him Haweh) has decreed inquisitiveness, logic and clearmindedness to be the be all end all for people he wants to hang with after they die in the physical realm. All the other folks are left to his meddling biggest most powerfull creation, lets call him Hucifer. Dave believes in a revealed religion (its just that Hucifer did the revealing, oh sad day), lets call it Histianity, and is headed for Hucifer. Atheist Simon tries to figure things out as best he can and Haweh likes that, he's gonna be spending eternity with him. Dave does not know this and cannot find out due to the way he goes about his thinking.
How do you know you're not infact Dave? I say that you cannot know.
If you're going with because it feels right again (its really not a horrible answer, but it assumes a God that speaks through your feeling, which has other implications), Ill ask you about a bunch of sins that feel so very right, but apparently arent, if you believe some of the mainstream religions. How come the difference?
I don’t believe that God makes it easy to be wrong when following your own innate sense. And if it’s so, if I am at the risk of being damned because I followed the wrong “instincts”, then set me up with the biggest ****ing line on the tightest hookers ass because I will see you in hell.

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Free will: have you ever NOT followed a sign? Would you consider this a sin?
No, I don't remember ever NOT following a sign.

And I'm not sure that I could ignore one if I wanted to because they're like an addiction that you give in to. It's a cosmic force that basically dictates your action and this is why I believe that we do not possess free will unconditionally.

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last bit: You mean what God (not life) is trying to tell you I assume.
I see no distinction between God and life.
07-05-2010 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Butcho22
please stop being so self-centered that you think god gives a **** about your pokerstars picture.
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Originally Posted by BigErf
Do you think he doesn't care about what my interests are?
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Originally Posted by Hopey
Why would he?
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Originally Posted by BigErf
Just off the top of my head..

because he made me to have them?
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Originally Posted by Hopey
God made you to be interested in poker and Metallica? You really believe that?
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Originally Posted by BigErf
Yes.

Who do you think created poker and Metallica?
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Originally Posted by Hopey
Human beings.
John 1:3

God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.
07-05-2010 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I see you don't play much online poker. An avatar pic is not necessarily an endorsement or sign of liking a person.
Well, I play on fulltilt where the options are limited. I get that, for example, you might slightly tilt someone who thinks you're an ******* for having a picture of manson as your avatar. But make no mistake: pretending to glorify manson is no different from actually glorifying him, given that your intent is for others to think you glorify him. I'm surprised that a devout christian would think that's ok.
07-05-2010 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Well, I play on fulltilt where the options are limited. I get that, for example, you might slightly tilt someone who thinks you're an ******* for having a picture of manson as your avatar. But make no mistake: pretending to glorify manson is no different from actually glorifying him, given that your intent is for others to think you glorify him. I'm surprised that a devout christian would think that's ok.
Did Erf say why he picked Manson?

Christians frequently aren't aware of the self image they are showing the world and that God is concerned about our image because we are God's people.

Christians oftentimes have a problem with separating themselves from the world and that's also one of the most difficult problem new Christians have because learning the degree of separation is tricky. You really have to be focused on God to get it and accept it.

I assumed Erf never admired Manson. But let him explain it. He should speak for himself.

Erf did you select him for poker reasons? Did you select him before you read the bible?

Oh and interesting thread title Erf....I've recently started to think "There are no coincidences." When did "coincidence" become institutionalized as an unchallengeable idea. If all our times are in God's hands how can anything be a "coincidence"?
07-05-2010 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Did Erf say why he picked Manson?

Christians frequently aren't aware of the self image they are showing the world and that God is concerned about our image because we are God's people.

Christians oftentimes have a problem with separating themselves from the world and that's also one of the most difficult problem new Christians have because learning the degree of separation is tricky. You really have to be focused on God to get it and accept it.

I assumed Erf never admired Manson. But let him explain it. He should speak for himself.

Erf did you select him for poker reasons? Did you select him before you read the bible?

Oh and interesting thread title Erf....I've recently started to think "There are no coincidences." When did "coincidence" become institutionalized as an unchallengeable idea. If all our times are in God's hands how can anything be a "coincidence"?
Actually, in my last post, the devout christian I was surprised would think that was ok was you, not Erf. You seem to be saying that if its for poker reasons, any avatar would be ok.
07-05-2010 , 10:45 AM
There are no coincidences. Keep your mind open to Him.

Arouet, pretending to like a girl's hair is the same as actually liking it?

Last edited by Gunth0807; 07-05-2010 at 10:55 AM.
07-05-2010 , 10:47 AM
So if this was a sign from God, how do you interpret the sign? Do you believe God is telling you that you must change your avatar to Manson, and that you'd be disobeying God if you didn't make him your avatar? Or is God merely making a suggestion?
07-05-2010 , 10:49 AM
BigErf, you're an imbecile for not correctly dividing God's word. God clearly and explicitly has shown to you that he wants you to go round up a group of young hippie drifters and get them to kill celebrities for you. That's why he keeps pointing you to Charles Manson's picture, via a poker avatar.

gogogogogogogogo!
07-05-2010 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sickofants
I'm sorry, but if they scored at 52:30, then they scored in the 53rd minute. Or are we in the 20th century? IDK.

If you're looking for signs, you're probably going to find them pretty easily, even if they're not there.
FMP, though the moment has probably passed. I was toying with wording it like "52:30 is in the 53rd minute for the same reason that 2010 is in the 21st century". But yeah, if I have to be nitty, it'd probably be a good idea to make sense myself.

Obviously the second sentence was pointed at Big Erf.
07-05-2010 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Actually, in my last post, the devout christian I was surprised would think that was ok was you, not Erf. You seem to be saying that if its for poker reasons, any avatar would be ok.
Well I've always had an extremely strong sense of right and wrong long before I ever paid attention to the bible.

But I'm not suppose to impose my ideas on anyone else. I think you read the bible to let God lead you. He will gradually impress upon you the right way in life.

I could make an error or overweight something based on my own experience. I'm not Big Erf and I've never walked a mile in Big Erf's shoes. God likes to work with us and lead us individually.

You can go too far authoritarian and too far liberal as a Christian. That's why you read the bible. We are works in progress.

You have to balance "My people perish from lack of knowledge" with this verse:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:8&version=NIV
07-05-2010 , 11:04 AM
You're surprised that your taste in images matches your taste in lyrics?
07-05-2010 , 11:10 AM
If God ever really wants to test BigErf's obedience, he will get a sign to change his avatar to Kenny G.
07-05-2010 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
The definition of coincidence is a sequence of events that although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged. The problem that I have with this is that whoever did the defining uses “although accidental” to cut off any other explanations. If a sequence of events play out in such a way that they “seem to have been planned or arranged” then why couldn’t they have been? Who says it was an accident? And what credentials does the definer have that allows them to tell me that what I experience in my own life is nothing but a bunch of accidents that seem to have been planned or arranged? And is the reason that you view them in this way because the definition tells you that they’re accidents?
One of the problems with this is that the way of looking at the world that derives from the argument you're making is one that is fundamentaly unable to differentiate between things that were done by God, things that were done by Satan and things that are infact not direct actions from either god or other factors.
Another is that it then makes impossible to think of it as an accident. Everything that happens then automatically HAS to have some direct meaning. You wont be able to neglect ANYTHING as accidental.
Furthermore, you effectively deny the existence of reliable laws of nature. Which is fine, but seems to me a rather problematic view.

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It’s all about stepping outside of the secular box. Isn’t the goal here to search and find the truth? Well does the truth stop at the dictionaries definitions?
I cant really say anything about this, if this is what it takes to 'step outside the secular box', I simply cannot do that. Your brain might accept this type of (in my opinion very much flawed) reasoning, mine cannot.

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I don’t believe that God makes it easy to be wrong when following your own innate sense. And if it’s so, if I am at the risk of being damned because I followed the wrong “instincts”, then set me up with the biggest ****ing line on the tightest hookers ass because I will see you in hell.
This is one of those things where you cant be unclear. Either you think that something feeling right is an indication of it being right in the eyes of God (God has made you inherently likely to do good) or not. Both have their own implications, which are far reaching. Any inbetween road leaves open many interpreations of things and is worse than both other options.

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No, I don't remember ever NOT following a sign.

And I'm not sure that I could ignore one if I wanted to because they're like an addiction that you give in to. It's a cosmic force that basically dictates your action and this is why I believe that we do not possess free will unconditionally.
Do you 'catch' all of God's signs?

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I see no distinction between God and life.
I figured this as I was writing it down the other night.
07-05-2010 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Did Erf say why he picked Manson?

I assumed Erf never admired Manson. But let him explain it. He should speak for himself.

Erf did you select him for poker reasons? Did you select him before you read the bible?
When I was staring at the empty circle that was originally my default PokerStars image, Charlie “popped” into my mind. To me Manson has always been like “The” bad guy of bad guys and when I positioned him into the circle it was an instant hit. He puts me where I need to be when I sit down to play and those eyes have a way of hypnotizing my approach.

I’ve always believed that God introduced me to poker for some cosmic reason and I believe that he wants me to have the attitude that I do about it. And Charlie is my connection to that mind frame that I need to be in. The fascination with true crime books started in grade school and I see now that this liking was given to me so that I would accept the image of Manson when the time came to be presented with him.
07-05-2010 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
There ARE no small coeeenceedences and big coeeenceedences. Just coeeeenceedences!
fyp

Last edited by loK2thabrain; 07-05-2010 at 10:44 PM. Reason: small and big in italics but you can't tell imo
07-05-2010 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
When I was staring at the empty circle that was originally my default PokerStars image, Charlie “popped” into my mind. To me Manson has always been like “The” bad guy of bad guys and when I positioned him into the circle it was an instant hit. He puts me where I need to be when I sit down to play and those eyes have a way of hypnotizing my approach.

I’ve always believed that God introduced me to poker for some cosmic reason and I believe that he wants me to have the attitude that I do about it. And Charlie is my connection to that mind frame that I need to be in. The fascination with true crime books started in grade school and I see now that this liking was given to me so that I would accept the image of Manson when the time came to be presented with him.
It's actually kind of disgusting that you've chosen to make him your avatar. He ordered the murders of numerous innocent people, including a woman who was eight months pregnant.

And to justify it be claiming that this is what god wants you to do...that's even more despicable, imo.
07-05-2010 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
When I was staring at the empty circle that was originally my default PokerStars image, Charlie “popped” into my mind. To me Manson has always been like “The” bad guy of bad guys and when I positioned him into the circle it was an instant hit. He puts me where I need to be when I sit down to play and those eyes have a way of hypnotizing my approach.

I’ve always believed that God introduced me to poker for some cosmic reason and I believe that he wants me to have the attitude that I do about it. And Charlie is my connection to that mind frame that I need to be in. The fascination with true crime books started in grade school and I see now that this liking was given to me so that I would accept the image of Manson when the time came to be presented with him.
So Splendour? Looks like idolizing to me. Erf, wtf man? You've read the book, you can't plead ignorance, you know what a monster he is. You know that he's shown no remorse. Seriously, dude, choose some better role models!
07-05-2010 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
So if this was a sign from God, how do you interpret the sign? Do you believe God is telling you that you must change your avatar to Manson, and that you'd be disobeying God if you didn't make him your avatar? Or is God merely making a suggestion?
My creative imagination has gotten me into trouble in the past and sometimes I need to check myself. Up until a few weeks ago I would spend large amounts of time playing poker and this meant staring at Charlie in the process. I would get in deep with my thoughts about the game and I have taken it brutally serious at times and even personal. After going through some very rough swings I decided that maybe an image change would do me some good. So I switched. But almost immediately I knew I made a mistake by doing so.

PokerStars has a limit to the amount of times you can change an image and I thought Charlie was lost forever. I had been contemplating trying to get him back and was thinking of emailing Stars to see if they would grant my request.. but I felt kind of dumb seeing how I just changed my image within the last week or so.

So now we pick up where I left off with Leper Messiah. I looked up the old image I had used of Manson and as I was thinking about whether or not I should request another change I hear, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, LIE!!!!!! To me this was the sign of God saying, “Go ahead Erfy, get him back.”
07-05-2010 , 11:20 PM
So did pokerstars grant the image change, or have you changed it too many times already?

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I miss Charley even though I think he messes with my mind sometimes.
I'm curious about this comment from your OP. Are you saying looking at the image affects you psychologically, but there's nothing supernatural going on? Or that Charles Manson's spirit or whatever is somehow channeled through the image, and he (Charles Manson himself, not just the image) is messing with your mind telepathically?
07-05-2010 , 11:31 PM
BigErf if someone killed your family and someone else used their picture as an avatar would you be ok with it?
07-06-2010 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
So Splendour? Looks like idolizing to me. Erf, wtf man? You've read the book, you can't plead ignorance, you know what a monster he is. You know that he's shown no remorse. Seriously, dude, choose some better role models!
You've got a point.

I must have skimmed the OP too fast. I thought Erf was saying God was changing his image.

I've read "Helter Skelter" and I couldn't sport Manson on my avatar even though I do see it as having some poker tactical advantages.
07-06-2010 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
There are no coincidences. Keep your mind open to Him.

Arouet, pretending to like a girl's hair is the same as actually liking it?
ahh yes... from the girls perspective if you pretend to like her hair it is the same as if you actually like it.

from the perspective of the players viewing the manson avatar as "villains" avatar he is actually glorifying manson even if the OP is just "pretending" to glorify manson.
07-06-2010 , 08:44 AM
I was sitting in peak-hour traffic today when my ipod played Hexdrix's Crosstown Traffic. Coincidence?
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