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08-26-2010 , 07:02 PM
Church is a glorified accepted cult in many places around the world. Everything is formed or mythical beliefs and you are asked to spend a good majority of your life AND MONEY to support their cause.

I'm sorry, but a 7AM tee time and Football on sunday afternoon is my church........anyone agree?
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08-26-2010 , 07:03 PM
Cults are unpopular churches.
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08-26-2010 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by durango155
Church is a glorified accepted cult in many places around the world. Everything is formed or mythical beliefs and you are asked to spend a good majority of your life AND MONEY to support their cause.

I'm sorry, but a 7AM tee time and Football on sunday afternoon is my church........anyone agree?
No.
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08-26-2010 , 09:49 PM
Depends on what definition of cult you're using.
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08-27-2010 , 06:04 AM
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Cults are unpopular churches.
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08-27-2010 , 07:20 AM
There are varied definitions of cult. In order to understand your point, please define the term.
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08-27-2010 , 11:29 PM
Getting on your knees and worshiping, always sketched me about about church even when I was a wee young lad. It is cultish to say the least.

Saying/singing everything in unison, praying, listening to one central figure (whoever is giving mass) is very cult like.

I was around 16-17, and look to my left to see a framed picture that says...

Jesus died for you, what have you done for him lately?

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08-28-2010 , 02:14 AM
The movies are a cult experience too!
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08-28-2010 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by durango155
Church is a glorified accepted cult in many places around the world. Everything is formed or mythical beliefs and you are asked to spend a good majority of your life AND MONEY to support their cause.

I'm sorry, but a 7AM tee time and Football on sunday afternoon is my church........anyone agree?
Church meets most of the definitions of a cult, yes. It doesnt seem like you're using those definitions though.
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08-28-2010 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by durango155
Church is a glorified accepted cult in many places around the world. Everything is formed or mythical beliefs and you are asked to spend a good majority of your life AND MONEY to support their cause.

I'm sorry, but a 7AM tee time and Football on sunday afternoon is my church........anyone agree?
No this is stupid. Leaving aside the fact you make no attempt to define what a cult is, I dont believe most people who go to church spend "a good majority" of their lives there, nor that they spend a majority of their money in supporting it.

p.s Im not religious and dont go to church
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08-28-2010 , 10:16 AM
The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are reasonably considered strange.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices

Seems pretty spot on to me
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08-28-2010 , 10:37 AM
They should probably discard the word cult.

The current usage is almost always meant perjoratively though it didn't originally mean that.

And when words become perjoratives they usually color the dialog and impede clear thinking about issues.
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08-28-2010 , 11:10 AM
Ritual and recruitment are the most cultish aspects imo. Faith as a virtue was a stroke of genius.

I don't find the taking of money as much of a big deal as some people do; people spend money on lots of things that I think are pointless or that I disapprove of. Tax exemption is annoying though. Taking money does not qualify an organisation as a cult.
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08-29-2010 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
They should probably discard the word cult.
You think language should be controlled by a central authority?
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08-29-2010 , 08:55 AM
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You think language should be controlled by a central authority?
No, I don't we will just have to stay goofed up. God already had his say at the Tower of Babel.
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08-29-2010 , 12:44 PM
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No, I don't we will just have to stay goofed up. God already had his say at the Tower of Babel.
I dont know if language is the biggest barrier and cause of conflict in the world. But its close right there with tribalism. If true that action might have lead to more deaths then Christianity, other religions and atheism combined. Just saying.
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08-29-2010 , 10:31 PM
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I dont know if language is the biggest barrier and cause of conflict in the world. But its close right there with tribalism. If true that action might have lead to more deaths then Christianity, other religions and atheism combined. Just saying.
But God is more concerned with correcting our spiritual state. Our physical state is just a drop in the bucket.

In fact you could argue it benefits us to die more quickly to get to eternity.

Why spend more time in an inferior world than you have to?
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08-29-2010 , 10:46 PM
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But God is more concerned with correcting our spiritual state. Our physical state is just a drop in the bucket.

In fact you could argue it benefits us to die more quickly to get to eternity.

Why spend more time in an inferior world than you have to?
Thats all good. I just said it has caused conflict. If it was necessarily because God was powerless to correct our spiritual state without that conflict then so be it.

I agree with you on the last part. If your God exists i would of wanted to die or have him to kill me as a baby so i could of got shipped straight to the good stuff with no threat of losing salvation.
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08-29-2010 , 11:23 PM
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Thats all good. I just said it has caused conflict. If it was necessarily because God was powerless to correct our spiritual state without that conflict then so be it.

I agree with you on the last part. If your God exists i would of wanted to die or have him to kill me as a baby so i could of got shipped straight to the good stuff with no threat of losing salvation.
Except you might not have enough consciousness or memory as a baby to appreciate your upgrade.
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08-29-2010 , 11:40 PM
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Except you might not have enough consciousness or memory as a baby to appreciate your upgrade.
Well if the Catholics are right i would of got some training in purgatory before i got in. If not i guess would of been put where they put all the other unconscious babies. Its a gamble.
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08-29-2010 , 11:42 PM
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Well if the Catholics are right ill get some training in purgatory before i get in. If not i guess would of been put where they put all the other unconscious babies. Its a gamble.
The bible says you're not accountable as a baby.
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08-29-2010 , 11:44 PM
But thats the point.
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08-30-2010 , 12:15 AM
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The bible says you're not accountable as a baby.
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08-30-2010 , 12:34 AM
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An evangelical named Don Corner shows it on his site:

Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. (Rom 7:9-11)

Babies and little children are alive, not dead. For each person this age would be different, based on their knowledge and faith:

Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins. (James 4:17)


But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin. (Rom 14:23)



Young children lack knowledge about right and wrong:



But before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. (Isa 7:16)

This mysterious age of accountability does exist and the Calvinistic doctrine of infant damnation for the non-elect is shown to be preposterous and out of harmony to the rest of Scriptures.... _end quote (He goes on but I end it there for brevity's sake).

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/m...al_truths3.htm
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