Watch your money go bye bye.

The foundation of our government is the constitution, not the declaration of independence.

The very man (Jefferson) who wrote the Declaration which you quoted did not believe Jesus was a deity. Nor did Washington, or many others. And even of those who did, many recognized and advocated that their religious faith be separate from their governmental capacity.

So here's more by the author of the Declaration, since you wish to put such importance on his words:

And he specifically references the documents, such as Virginia Act for Religious Freedom, here:

So yes, they were setting up government for Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc., when they wrote those documents. This is actually explicitly acknowledged above!

(Note: These quotes are all sourced here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jefferson)

Yes he did, he just had a different view of who Christ was, and believed a lot of the New Testament to be false.

So the cliffnotes are:

1, the bank was thought to have broken some law
2, it was investigated
3, the law wasnt clear enough so they were fine

So yeah, clearly this is an atheist plot to destroy America

Im pretty sure it just needs a 2/3 majority in both houses or 2/3 majority of state legislatures. Of course as a Brit i could be wrong on the exact details, but im 99% sure you are wrong that it requires a national referendum.

It takes 2/3rds majority in congress or state legislatures to propose the amendment. Then, 3/4th of the states must agree to the ratification.

The ole shell game: Look at the figureheads.

It doesn't matter who the leaders were though many founding fathers made pro-God statements and politicians continue to do so today.

The power reposes in the people not the leaders.

The leaders of the U.S. represent the people. They are not kings. They do not rule the people.

The U.S. is a democracy and in a democracy the majority rules.

Those figureheads like Jefferson whatever his beliefs were personally had to bow to his constituents beliefs. Because if he didn't bow he was out....as in out of office ...as in a leader with no following...because people don't follow what they don't believe in...

You don't need to be anti-God to want separation of Church and State. You just need to be pro-freedom, or pro-choice, or whatever.

Yep, he's definition right, as proven by Sweden, and Finland, and Denmark, and Japan, and Norway...

I don't care to argue as I feel pretty sure I already know what atheists think on the Christmas banning by the Fed as I've been posting here a rly long time.

I just liked to keep the theists up to date on world events in case the banning didn't make national headlines.

We also have to balance out some of those crazy articles MB and rize like to run about the pope or Rick Warren. Remember that one about Rick Warren and Uganda. I posted Warren's video and MB never acknowledged Warren's statement of non-involvement in the Ugandan's gay rights fiasco.

This isn't really an atheist forum because of the numbers any more than the U.S. is a Christian country because of the numbers, is it?

The U.S. is a democracy not a theocracy and this forum is a poker site not an atheist dedicated site, amirite?

I don't remember this, give me a link and I will give you a response.

The government should not have any involvement in whether or not a private companies website has religious references on its site.

I wouldn't do business with a bank such as the one mentioned in the original post, as it is a bit too much for me. The branches of my bank that I've been too lately have had xmas trees in the lobby, and I have been wished Merry Christmas by the tellers. I normally say it back, or just say you too. Please stop assuming what we think as though we are some sort of homogeneous group.

BTW, I have a video of Clinton saying he didn't have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.


You know, I don't even need to see the video. It doesn't matter much what he says in one video.

Look how he handled prop 8

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...stuns-leaders/

It wasnt a Christmas banning. It was a potential violation of the separation of church and state through Christian symbols in a banking institution.

Atheists love Christmas as much as the pagans who invented 90% of it.

What part of my post are you replying to?

Well, based on what Hopey quoted, it wasn't even really a church/state issue:

(emphasis mine, though I'm not sure I even chose the right line to bold)

Yes, his different view was that Christ was a man, not a divine being. Which pretty much means he didn't believe in the Christian version of "God", at least not the version used by >99.99% of Christians.

You're the one that appealed to what the Founding Fathers thought. Idiot.

Prop 8 clearly is not a Uganda issue.

It's a storm in a teacup.

Do atheists go around saying to bank loan examiners..."Btw I'm atheist...take that into consideration when you make me a loan or grant me a credit card."

Of course they don't....and banks don't ask...they most likely aren't allowed to...Such decisions are usually based on credit ratings and payment history of the applicant.

After someone else mentioned deleting "in God we trust" as if the Supreme Court hadn't already ruled its an institutional symbol and hence not a violation of the "church and state" clause.

The point was to not just trust a video of him saying one thing.

In God We Trust on the currency is a drastically different issue than the Fed stepping in an telling a bank what it can or cannot display.

In the case of the currency, it is the Fed stating something.

Us atheists are sneaky, though -- we look just like you Christians.

The ones who really have to worry about potentially bigoted loan officers are people such as a Sikh who wears a turban, or a Muslim woman who wears a burqa, or a Jewish man wearing a skull-cap, a Rastafarian with dreads, a particularly effeminate gay man, etc... etc... Basically anyone who is obviously not the "right" religion (or is a sinner of some sort).

If I was one of the above people, I'd definitely think twice about setting foot in a bank that has chosen to make it glaringly obvious that it is a Christian institution.

Cool tell me what i think.

Personally, I like it when my bank sets up Christmas decorations and plays Christmas music in December. It's nice and festive, especially considering the crappy weather we have to put up with where I live.

What I really wouldn't like is if the tellers started wearing "JESUS IS LORD" buttons, or if they set up a statue of the ten commandments in the lobby, or offered a free baptism with every new account. But apparently that makes me anti-Christian...

Yeah i like the lights and holiday stuff too.

I wouldn't care for that either but i think they should have the right to do it.

Id just tell them to give me my money and close my account because Jesus was a commie and i cant trust my free market money in the hands of a bank that supports his ideals.

Wasn't Bryan Fischer the guy who was explaining how straight Nazi soldiers were just not vicious enough to execute Hitler's most cruel operations and that is why Hitler used gay soldiers for those operations?

I feel sorry for anybody who takes what he says seriously (and anything the American Family Association says for that matter).

Yea, he has said some crazy ****. He also said the Medal of Honor is now worthless because some guy got it for saving a bunch of lives.