Why?

ya, why batair?

He could at least not make us defecate after we eat ... perfect designer my ass.

Because who you love isn't a matter of choice. It's just something that happens.

I don't follow you.

Let's pretend that God's will could be wrong.

Or maybe that were aliens, and don't understand anything.

Why is God's will right?

Because even if he was good he's not real to me. He would just be a good fictional character from a book. He needs to be real or at least somewhat plausible for me to even have the possibility to love him.

Sorry to use this example but it would be like if i asked you to love Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny. It doesn't really work. I can like a character in a book, but not so sure about love. And even if i could...Would fictional love without real belief be what you mean by loving God?

Yeah basically. Im being asked to choose something thats not even under my control. I either do or dont love. Asking, ordering or commanding me to love the biblical God is kind of pointless even if i could get by the stumbling blocks of no belief and not seeing him in the best light.

why ur worried about going to hell, when u dont believe in god, heaven , hell those r terms for people who believe in god, so ur all good

If a truck is coming right at me and I say "I dont believe that truck is real"....will the truck not hit me because I dont believe in them?

It is understandable that you require proof of God’s existence. That proof may well be personal to you, but I found this neat interactive site that may help: http://www.proofthatgodexists.org

I still don’t think you understand that you can choose to love – Agape love is unconditional and therefore can be chosen.

Now, sorry its off topic but I have been reminded (probably after thinking about the various forms of love – and dwelling on Eros for a while) about a conversation I had with Ken Ham many moons ago before he became the big cheese that he is now. I asked him if Adam and Eve would have had sex before the fall (bearing in mind they had not noticed that they were different from each other at that stage). Ken said yes as they were instructed by God to go forth and multiply.

I still question this need for them to multiply physically, as they weren’t going to die. And how long would it have taken for earth to be filled up? And would they have had to ensure that the tree of life was reproduced everywhere for the continuation of this eternal life of theirs etc. etc. Luckily, this is all hypothetical now. But, could God have not meant go forth and multiply their love for him? You know, by finding new and interesting ways of showing it each day? I now hold this as my personal belief, but please check Ken’s site out for probably the biblically correct answer: http://www.answersingenesis.org

This doesnt scare you that youre ignoring serious mental issues? Do fellows christians find this to be normal and agree with why youre "no longer crazy?" personally reading something like this really scares me.

No it didn't help and it couldn't help me believe in the biblical God because none of the questions had anything to do with its God and were really just about the logical necessity of A God. Which even if i agreed, it gets me no closer to Yahweh.

But its good to know if i dont agree im suppressing the truth and not being honest with myself. err....

Your right i dont think i can choose to love. At least not in the way i use the word. But even if i agreed i could choose to love, could i choose to love something i dont think exists?


Like i said biblical interpretations wont have much effect on my beliefs other then to view a fictional character in a book differently.

As a Christian I respect your decision to be an atheist. I acknowledge that my decision to be a Christian has been influenced by the Grace of God. Grace of God seems a bit hit and miss. I don’t know why that is. I guess God has written the best RNG is all.

OP should go to hell. For asking ******ed questions. These questions should be taken to God because only his invisible ass can answer them. Christians aren't too stupid to do it, they just don't know the answer themselves (like the rest of us). So, they'll bs you as bad as I would

I never decided to be an atheist afaik. But if God gives me some knew knowledge and rewires my rng maybe ill believe. The ball is in his court.

Would you not label yourself an Atheist? I label myself a Christian!

Soz, I don't know how to edit my post and it passed in the post so to speak. I hope and pray that God does, by His Grace, give you the new knowledge you require.

Yours

Don

I never choose to not believe in the biblical God. I also never choose to believe in him when i did.


Alright, thanks.

dont be scared dude, its all gone.

iamunLUCKY,

What do you say about people who might dismiss a legitimate health issue by believing/thinking that the "loving hand of God" will heal them?

Psalm 30:2 – O Lord my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me.

Psalm 103:2-3 – Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases.

Psalm 107:20 – He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.

James 5:13-16 -Are any among you suffering? They should pray. Are any cheerful? They should sing songs of praise. Are any among you sick? They should call for the elders of the church and have them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord. The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective.

Jeremiah 30:17 "But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds," declares the Lord.


Mark 11:24 – Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

So would you normally advise people to just pray instead of seeking help from modern medicine, or a combination of both?

Because that is my choice for what to call right. I was free to choose otherwise, as many do.

I think that it is important to note that if one was allowed to come up with their own interpretation free of historical influence or any previous concepts that they would not come up with the eternal Hell/torture interpretation.

So it is not that it is just incompatible with an all loving God, but that there is generally very little to no biblical support for this doctrine.

I think that the single strongest influence in perpetuating the eternal torture doctrine is peoples need for their twisted view of "justice". People want to see people punished. Most of all it seems like people that are "good" generally want it more because they are self righteous.

The idea of people not being punished is counter intuitive to them. They just cannot understand it. But this kind of radical love is exactly what Christ came to teach and reveal to us about God. If you can "comprehend" God's love, then you don't really understand it at all.

I believe I was asking you a question, not the Bible. But if those are your words as well, I got your point. God heals you physically, mentally, and spiritually. I was only referring to the physical though.