Although I should add that Aaron W. was very honest in saying that if there never was a NT he probably wouldn't be a Christian.

Maybe he said he "might not" be instead of "probably"...can't remember but it speaks volumes imo.

rofl

For once, Jibninjas is correct on this one. This was not a command issued by Jesus.

That said, Luke 19 does have a much more violent and subversive context than much the rest of the Gospel. More like what I imagine the Nazarean was really like.

Are you suggesting God-given laws have nothing to do with morality?

Negative. Does Not say anything about having duty to kill people who do not believe. L2read.

old testament... hence new testament came to be...

this forum needs some real moderators...

OMG LOL you really are funny! No offense meant.

You can't take what is written to future generations/Administrations (the book of Revelation) or past generations/Administrations (Chronicles and Deuteronomy) and apply it to this Administration/generation of people.

We are in the Grace Administration at this point and time. The instructions you wrote about are not for this day and time. Nor to Christians. Read a little closer and in context please.

The Bible is divided up into different Administrations with specific instructions to specific people in those Administrations. Kinda like presidential Administrations for example: Under this new Obama Administration the rules have changed compared to Bush's Administration.

Biblically there are 8 Administrations:

1.The First Earth Administration
2.Original Paradise on Earth Administration
3.Patriarchial (Fathers) Administration
4.The Law Administration
5.The Administration of Jesus the Christ
6.The Grace Administration of the Great Mystery (Right Now)
7.The Appearing Administration
8.The Everlasting Glory and Paradise Administration


Pletho

Genocide and murder over personal beliefs is unethical for any 'administration', past, present, or future. Defending such instructions under any circumstances is an insult to morality.

What are you talking about? This isn't a personal belief. This was what happened and what will happen in the future. I didn't write the book. If you want to argue with someone, argue with God. I am merely stating a fact that Rizeagainst??? made a uneducated comment when he started this post because he does not know anything about the Bible or HOW it is structured and understood. If he did he would not have made such a uneducated statement.

As for your comment, haven't you ever read that God had the Israelites to destroy the most evil nations and peoples on the earth at times because if they did not those nations and peoples would eventually destroy Israel.

Let me ask you a question? If someone you trusted very, very, very much or a source you trusted very, very uch told you that a person or persons were going to KILL you and your familiy and your childrens children in the future if you didn't get rid of them. What would you do?

If that were to happen to me and I knew that the source was reliable I would carry the orders out, it would be self defense and very wise to do this especially of it was God who told you. Who happens to know evertything about the future. Whats funny is that Israeal disobeyed God regarding things like this over and over again and they paid heavily for their disobedience.

Like it or not there are EVIL nations and people on this earth who could care less about you or me. Don't be so emotional and wishy washy about it. Its plain and simple. Sure I know religious people in the past have killed the more people probably than all the wars totalled together. Especially the Catholics (I am reffering to the religous leaders not the Everyday Church going Catholics).

But that is not what I am talking about, they did it for political reasons under the guise of religion and besides they are not Christians anyway (I am reffering to the major majority of practicing Catholics).

Does this mean that I am defending Genocide and Murder. Well I think you need to understand WHAT God biblically considers Murder? Killing to protect yourself is completely different than just randomely killing someone for no reason.

Wouldn't it be a wise thing to do if you knew someone was planning on killing you in 1 week and no one will help you stop them. Wel what if it were a month or a year away? Should you wait until they are at your front door? Or in your home?

Lets be logical here. I am not saying that this is the best thing for anyone to do at anytime. But what has to be done at times needs to be done. I am not for going around and killing people at all. But am HIGHLY for protecting myself whatever the cost. Or my family. So if it had to come to that extreme of a measure then I would reluctantly do it but nevertheless I would do it to save myself and loved ones.

Are you gonna tell me you wouldn't? If you say you wouldn't then you are the one that has your morality all screwed up not me.

Pletho

Either way this conversation was steered completely off the subject at hand like usual for this forum. Everyone talks around the subject at hand and never really gets into it, and if someone has a strong opinion, or belief about it, they are labeled fanatics. I think unbelievers are pretty damn fanatical about their unbelief and relentless bombardment on the believers.

There is a difference between opinion and truth. Those who DO NOT believe God call His Word and anyone who speaks His Word opinionated. But whats hypocritical is that the unbelievers are really the opinionated ones, they disagree on everything but one thing and that is their unbelief in GOD.

Christians for the most part have figured out that TRUTH does not rise and shine from their own thinking but that it is based on something outside of themselves, something greater than their own made up intellect. Unbelievers have a thing or two to learn in the catagory of humility of mind.

Presumming that just because something didn't come from their intellect that it can't possibly be true. Who made them gods? Themselves?

Pletho

Well, either God doesn't exist or he's ignoring us, so I guess I'm stuck arguing with you.

If that "someone" was simply a little voice inside my own head, I would seek psychiatric help and consider the possibility that I am criminally insane.

This line of thinking is terrifying, and is the reason why 9/11 happened.

I understand your point and fear. But what you do not seem to understand is thta their is a God. The people going around killing others in the name of their God ALLAH are following a false God. In past Christian History the Crusades carried out by the Catholic Chrurch killing who knows how many people were also following the wrong God. They are not real Christians. They have the world fooled and DO NOT follow the Bible at all. The Pope is who they follow and his words always override the Bible. The majority of Christianity to day is so infiltrated with unbelievers its amazing but since the majority of Christians do not trust nor really believe in the integrity of the Bible they are dooped into believing in things that are not from God.

A true Christian can tell the difference between right and wrong, and the true God in this day and time does not Kill anyone nor does He tell anyone to wipe out another race. We are in a completely different Administration compared to the other Administrations you previously mentioned.

Those terrosit you speak of worship a false god, they are under the direction of the Devil, the Adversary, Satan, call him what you will. Who in their right minds would sacrifice their children by strapping a bomb on them?

Pletho

So if you want a Christian to kill someone, the trick is to convince him/her that the order is coming from god. If you're clever enough, such a deception would be fairly easy to accomplish. It's been done before.

op is a moron. however, i wouldnt mind assassinating a few fying spaghetti monster ****ers for their sheer stupidity and insolence.

27 "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will plant the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the offspring of men and of animals. 28 Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant," declares the LORD. 29 "In those days people will no longer say,
'The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

30 Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—his own teeth will be set on edge.

31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.

32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to [d] them, [e] "
declares the LORD.

33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."
Jeremiah chapter 31(biblegateway NIV)

all i read was the title and all i gotta say is prolly b/c that is RUDE (to kill someone)

#1 thou shalt not kill.
#2 you've taken those texts out of context.