The problem is that your interpretation of the bible is different than the interpretation that we would come up with, and different than the interpretation of just about every other Christian on this forum. Do you really believe that your God cares about how his believers refer to him? Is he really that much of a nit?

Also, it's spelled "tortured", not "torchered".

Your point has quite a few holes in it, which is why we continue to press you on this issue. You still haven't really explained how millions of Christians can be "against the Christ" because they unwittingly refer to Jesus Christ as "Jesus".

My questions *are* genuine. It's too bad that the Christians on this forum don't seem to want to participate in the discussion as I think that your assertions apply much more to them than they do to me.

If you are genuinly wanting to understand, I am going to try and upload a audio teaching specifically about this subject. If you get out a bible and follow the teaching you will understand much much more regarding this subject. This way I will not banter back and forth and if you are serious you will have the info needed regarding the subject to listn to at your own pace and leasure.

If anyone else is interested in listening to it you are more than welcome.

I just have to figure out HOW to do it.......

why are you so against people asking questions?

Thank you. That someone can say this who is also a Christian will hopefully stop anyone from listening to him.

Frankly; I find his posts to be quite scary.

I am not against questions, questions are good. What I am against and what I do my best to avoid and stand strongly against is questions that are asked by someone who really does not want a answer. Someone who is asking just to trap or prove me wrong. There is a big difference between sincere genuine questions from those really wanting to understand more about God and the bible and those who are just trying to do all that they can to prove their point and that I am wrong and they are right.

Most on here are in the second catagory and ask questions for the wrong reasons, they really do not care what my answer is, they will not believe the truth if it is told to them. They are antagonistic questions in nature.

Here is a link to my blog which I hope will not get me in trouble and banned, considereing there is nothing on it except a welcome entry and these recordings I just uploaded for those really wanting to understand more about what I am saying. I do suggest you get a bible and follow along or you will not really catch or see what is being said. That would be the honest thing to do, to cooperate in order to understand is not asking to much I do not think?

I tried to post the link and 2+2 will not allow it, so If you want the link to my blog and the recordings I will PM them to you, just ask or PM me for it....

The problem is that if someone doesn't blindly accept what you're saying, you get angry and accuse them of "not wanting to know the truth". This is simply not the case. Nobody is going to assume that you have a monopoly on the truth -- especially if a lot of what you're claiming as the "truth" does not make sense, and/or is contradicted by what other intellingent Christians (and non-Christians) are saying.

You still haven't sufficiently explained this statement that you made:

I understand your explanation as to how Jesus became "the Christ". I may not accept it, but that's besides the point. My problem is that you are claimin that those who use the term "Jesus" are not really Christians or are "Christians who are against the Christ". Common sense and experience tells us that this assertion is obviously wrong, but it was such a bizarre statement that I wanted you to expound on it. I'm still waiting for you to explain further.

Is Jibninjas against the Christ?
Is Splendour against the Christ?
Is NotReady against the Christ?
Is Aaron W. against the Christ?

All of these Christians have referred to Jesus Christ as "Jesus" on more than one ocassion in this forum. Are they secretly not Christians?

Your link is broken.

Have you ever read "News of the Weird"? It is a bunch of stories of really bizarre things that happen that are all true.

It is kinda like reading that. Like I always knew there was people out there like this, but after reading so many of his posts, I just keep waiting for someone like Hopey to come out and say "Ha Ha Ha it was me all along!" And it would go down as the greatest 2+2 level ever!

I wish I could take credit for the Pletho account, but it's not me.

I used to think the guy was a gimmick account, but I've become convinced that he's legit. Nobody has the free time available to research and write the posts that he does day after day.

I know that it is not you now. I honestly did think before that it was. I know that I do not really know you at all, but for some reason I just thought that this was up your alley as far as humor goes.

I wonder if it gives Pletho pause that posters on this forum think that he might be a gimmick account?

Probably not.

it is pretty clear that comments and arguments from posters on this forum, no matter how overwhelming, do not influence pletho

Nope, That is not what I am saying, let me put it a different way. It is a dishonor to Jesus Christ to use the name Jesus only when reffering to him, after all he earned the name Jesus Christ for all of his sufferings.

In the gospels which are written for our learning the writers of each gospel as you pointed out may use the name Jesus alone, but they are not doing it as a dishonor, they end up in the whole scope & writing of the gospel making it very clear that the Jesus they are reffering to is the son of God and the Christ.

I think what I may not be communicating well also is that there is "another Jesus" that Paul warned about. This other Jesus goes by the name "Jesus" alone and is not Jesus the Christ. It is a d.s. spirit who's name is "Jesus" and wants to be worshipped as God.

So the unknowledgeable Christians are tricked into worshipping and refferring to this false "Jesus" as if he is Jesus the Christ.

Many, many people worship Jesus as if he was God, these are mainly the people who use the word "Jesus" alone in our society.

They have the Jesus loves you bumber stickers, the "real men love Jesus" bumper stickers. They are referred to sometimes as Jesus freaks.These are the big perpetrators of this false Jesus.

Many of these people ARE CHRISTIANS but they are mislead and mislead others, it is a spiritual thing, a spiritual battle that is going on behind the scenes in the spiritual realm. The whole purpose is to get Christians into IDOLITRY, which is worshipping false gods. When they worship "Jesus" as God they are paying tribute to another "Jesus" but not Jesus the Christ.

I will reiterate that they may be Christians but on a spiritual level they are enemies of Christ and God, because everything that the term and name "Christ" stands for is done away with, if you believe that "Jesus" is God....

So where does your statment about us being not true Christians fit in to that response? If you are right and we simply, like my nieces, haven't been shown the truth as you aparently have, then why would you say we aren't true Christians? Does ignorance of something equate to denial of it?
So, you are the ultimate authority on this supposed truth, and if I disagree with you, then I've rejected the truth, and am now at fault and am not a true Christian? That's putting yourself, as opposed to the Bible, and everyone I've talked to, besides your, interpretation of it, on a pretty high pedestal, isn't it?

Actually, I was well aware of that, which is why I posed the question. So, then, is your answer to my question that you are basing your argument on the original text and their more depth of meaning? Or are you, as was inferred in another post using the King James version, and simply avoided my question, because you knew that you were backed into a bit of a corner on this issue, and instead stated an obvious fact that I couldn't argue with in a vain attempt to give a correct answer?

Still waiting for this...

Actually, I think Hopey says what I'm trying to get at a bit better, so I'll just end my post with this, which I give a +1 to.

The impostor Jesus is a very interesting development for this thread...

I can safely say that I had previously heard 99.9% of the religious statements/arguments that Christians make on this forum. "Impostor Jesus" is a new one for me.

Such a great emoticon! A+ absolutely perfect

Sorry about scaring you, ill try to make my Pletho posts less scary.

Great observation, Steve, most overlook what I said...It is true though but very cleaverly disguised.......

Tune in next time when we will delve deeper into the false, imposter Jesus and who believes in him and who worships him and who propounds and teaches about him as if he is the real Jesus Christ..

2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel...................

Beware...............................

there is nothing like one good lunatic to bring together opposing parties. pletho is like the RGT version Ann Coulter. here is a diagram

A=atheists on 2p2
T=jib/stupidasso type christians on 2p2
P=pletho
S=splendour

starts out like this:
A--------------------T
add splendor to the mix and we get something like:
A------------T------S
add pletho in and we get something in this range:
A--T--S-------------P

his blog is blog. inside poker strategy.com (condense all words)

He PM'd me the link earlier today. I'm still debating about whether or not I should listen to the audio files that he posted on there as a result of this thread. I'm worried that if I listen and he starts making sense, six months from now I'll find myself standing side by side with him as we shoot at the ATF as they close in on our compound.

Thanks for the help, at least I cant get in trouble now.......