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Originally Posted by ajmargarine
It's true that, in this world, reincarnation and karma are the current system that we live within. And you try to explain why this is so and how this is good for all of us, etc. The truth is much simpler. The system of reincarnation was imposed upon the world by the god of this world. Salvation is "going out no more" (Rev 3:12), being free from reincarnating into the world system again and again. It's a big multiverse with places to go and people to see. We don't have to stay chained here forever working off an inexhaustible debt.
I'm not sure as to your meaning but reincarnation is not forever as death is not forever. Only Man dies except for the Christ Being, who is not a man, who went through death in order to bring forth the transformative template for the improvement of Man.
In the heavens there is metamorphosis but not death. Man's work is to gain knowledge of death which is inextricably intertwined with his future nobility.
There are higher beings than man who are involved with his progression and I'm not sure as to whether you are relating to the 'transmigration of souls" or not but if you aren't apologies but the idea that a man can reincarnate as cheetah or cricket or indeed a toad in the next life is fallacious. Man returns as man, the spirit ,Man.
The only referral I can give to you (not the only presentation but somewhat of a start) is in the Revelation of John in which the New Jerusalem is formed and the walls of the city are 144 cubits, that of a man but of an angel which is a referral to the future consciousness of man is of an angel or more to the point his attendant angel, the next higher state to man.
Father,Son,Holy Spirit
Seraphim or spirits of Love
Cherubim or Spirits of Harmony
Thrones or Spirits of Will
Kyriotetes or Spirits of Wisdom
Dynamis or Spirits of Movement
Exusiai or Spirits of Form
Archae or Spirits of Personality or Time
Archangels or Spirits of Fire
Angels or Spirits of Twilight/Life
Human Spirits
Spirits yet to come
To speak of places to go and people to see is to interpret reincarnation and the future of Man according to his present state but the heavens are our home and we are gaining the state of our present day Angels, the next higher state of consciousness.
that is what the Revelation of John points to and also in this movement the Earth itself, is transformed and that future state has been given by Occultists the name of Jupiter. Please note that not the Jupiter planet but a "state of being/consciousness" called Jupiter. There is no death and therefore reincarnation is moot. That Jupiter State will have as its expression "Love". As we see "Wisdom" in the trees and oceans so in that next state of Jupiter all will manifest the expression of "Love".
The heavenly beings are in motion, as we are, as continued development is present throughout.