Bump for laggy.

Appreciate an answer, if you will?

Hi, Cuepee.

Fundamentalist has taken on a rather sinister overtone in the last few decades.

In Christianity, the term fundamentalism originally referred to theologically conservative Christians whose "fundamental" tenets were detailed in a multi-volume work published in the early twentieth century called The Fundamentals.

I would classify myself and most other conservative Christians as fundamentalists in the sense above.

The type of fundamentalist identified above believed in separation of church and state, and many were essentially apolitical in the sense that many didn't participate in the political process at all (including not even voting).

In short, I don't believe most Christian Fundamentalists would support a despotic leader taking over to "Make America Christian Again."

There, of course, are various religious groups (e.g. many Muslim sects) that would enjoy a despot taking over.

And there are I suspect Christian sects that might like to see a despot "friendly" to their views take over.

I hope I answered your question, Cuepee.

No it did not answer my question so allow me to refine using an example which may help.


Trump enjoyed his strongest support amongst the religious and evangelicals in particular. More specifically Catholic and Protestant evangelicals were his biggest bloc, by far.

That is the group specifically that I am referring to.

So now back to my hypothetical.

If you had a rising despotic, immoral, authoritarian type who was trying to gain the power of the POTUS in the US, do you agree that person would be best to court the Evangelicals (aforementioned) for that support as a group who would be most likely to turn a blind eye to all the immoral tings he did and said and still propel him to power and to keep in him in power as he grabbed ever more and did worse and worse things?

If you do not think Evangelical support would be best the to court which group do you think would be more willing to support that type of immoral, despotic, authoritarian type??

I don't believe that any major religious group in America (e.g. Protestant, Catholic, LDS, JW, Buddhist) would support someone who could be described as despotic.

Some evil fringe group like the KKK might support someone like that, though.

I think in 2020 Mr. Biden got close to 50% of the Catholic vote, iirc.

Ok.

Well does Trump fit the image of the very immoral man? A man who was systemically trying to dismantle US democracy? A man who lied constantly? A man who was and still is taking massive financial advantage of his base?

A man who despite all those obvious flaws, many of which were exposed prior to him being elected and all through his presidency was supported by Evangelicals more than any other group?

So here is my new question:

If we just template Trump and we have Trump Part 2, trying to gain the POTUS office. it is clear this person is on a track to only be a worse version of Trump.

Which base of support do you think THAT MAN would best to court?

Is it Evangelicals? If not whom?

Trump2 would not have any significant base to get support from. Maybe the Flat-Earthers and Qanon crowd would be ripe for the picking.

Why do think that when Trump 1 had his strongest support from evangelicals more than any other group, right until the end?

I see no reason for Flat earthers to support him so not sure where you got that from.

Qanon might give the Evangelicals a run.

What would that say abut their belief systems if true?

Because many of of his policy positions resonate with most Evangelicals far more than the policies of the Democrat party.


Conspiracy-theorists tend to gravitate to those that they perceive as not being part of the status-quo. The Lizard People CT crowd would be rather sympathetic to an outsider, for example.

As I told another poster somewhere, I tend to avoid answering contrary-to-fact hypotheticals. In other words, I don't know what I would be like if I was a Flat Earther.

Anyway, I've had enough of this topic for a while.

Obviously, feel free to respond to the above, but please don't expect a timely response.

Have a good day!

Yes this is my point really.

We all know that Trump never cared about the policy points he offered Evangelicals. He is an immoral grifter of a man who by definition will offer and trade things of no value to him to gain the power he wants.

So he dangled in front of Evangelicals what I will call a 'moral based basket of goodies' to have them turn a blind eye to his personal character, the deeds he perpetrated on others and especially kids and his desire to tear apart the country and turn into a form of dictatorship.

So again going back to my original question, with another such Trump type in the wings who also wants to do what Trump did and worse which group could he most easily court value from? Which group is the most FOR SALE? Which group can he mostly easily get to ignore all his short comings and horrific actions and desires simply by offering them something they want?


Lets agree Qanon types are high on the list but explain how Evangelicals are not right there at the top with them based on what you say here?

That all tomorrows most heinous dictator and terrible person needs to do is 'offer Evangelicals something they want and they will then turn a blind eye to the rest and grant you power'.




Appreciate it.

The bolded has no connection to reality, in my opinion.

I'm done with this thread until "the world's most heinous dictator and terrible person" actually announces their intent to run for office in the USA.

Have a great day, sir!

Your view of reality is not reality then.

Trump is the prime example.

A man clearly devoid of Morals. especially the type or morals that Evangelicals would espouse are important.

A man who has been a grifter his entire business life, defrauding students hungry for education, people looking to do charitable contributions and now AGAIN, his voting base.

This is a man, no person who holds morals as foundational should support into the highest levels of powers simply because he is willing to barter things you value in exchange for a blind eye to all his abuses.


Time and again you like to posit that atheists are somehow more dangerous and susceptible to doing wrong as compared to religious folk as they do not have the moral voice of religion guiding them or to limit them.

Trump is the example that proves you wrong and why you need to stop saying that lie.

Religion and the morality of the bible does NOT in any way protect society from the religious people not only turning a blind eye to a despot but ultimately empowering that despot to subjugate us all. History shows us it makes them more likely to support such actions on mass.

As Trump demonstrated it makes it easier to obtain corrupt and immoral ends with a big and mostly unwavering base of support.

Target Qanon types and evangelicals as your #1/2 targets if you have an immoral, despotic desire for power, and as long as you are willing to offer them fruit they want (the apple on the tree) they will grab it, consequences be damned for them and all the rest of us.

master3004:

How is it possible that "uneducated goat farmers" were able to read and write scripture? That is a quite a contradiction.

Alter2Ego

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