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08-13-2010 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
I bet your mom or sister or daughter would see it different.
I don't think so. I think my sister would rather be raped than set on fire, or stabbed 20 times in the chest, or tortured.

So it wouldn't be in her top 3 either.
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08-13-2010 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Which Christianity am i informing here.
Christianity based on what you know.

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Originally Posted by batair
Is it the easy believing once saved always saved. Because to me that might be the most permissive belief system on earth.
Good point. I guess I would emphasize that in order to be truly saved you must show true regret for what you've done... God knows what's in your heart yada, yada, yada. Recidivism is not a tendency of someone who shows true regret.
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08-13-2010 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nittyit
Christianity based on what you know.
Well thats kind of the problem i know more then one and they are conflicting.


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Good point. I guess I would emphasize that in order to be truly saved you must show true regret for what you've done... God knows what's in your heart yada, yada, yada. Recidivism is not a tendency of someone who shows true regret.
See we kind of disagree here. You can truly feel regret and still do the same wrong over and over. Speaking for myself as a rambunctious unlawful youth... I repeated the same wrongs more than once and felt remorse over them each time. I think i still do that to a lesser extent sometimes. I guess feeling remorse makes it less likely but im not sure its some type of magic bullet. Also if we are saying true regret makes one less likely to repeat a crime. There is no rule which says non believers dont have true regret for their wrongs.


Still say having a religion in which you can just wash away your regrets/wrongs with honest repentance to God is kind of meh... Judgment from works would be a better reform tool imo.
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08-13-2010 , 07:03 PM
given the two options, i think id have to tell him about christianity.
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08-13-2010 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SixT4
If I could, I'd talk to him about rape and how it's a harmful way for humans to live together. Perhaps try to get him to realise it's best for humans to have a choice of who they have sex with.
And then what, spank his bum and put him in a timeout?
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08-13-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Atheism for me says nothing except idk if there is a God so it would only take about a minute to get that across. I fully admit its not likely to stop him in future crimes unless he has some guilt for what he did and not removing that guilt would stop him.

Which Christianity am i informing here.

Is it the easy believing once saved always saved. Because to me that might be the most permissive belief system on earth.
How easy is easy?
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08-13-2010 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
And then what, spank his bum and put him in a timeout?
naw, just tell him its all good if he rapes again, nobody is perfect. (but he HAS to say he's sorry!!!)
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08-13-2010 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
How easy is easy?
Easy believing is just a term to describe that type of belief.

But to answer your question. If you learn it as a child. Easy as pie. If its before or after you no longer believe not so much. In fact i think its imposable for me to just turn a switch, believe, and be saved.
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08-13-2010 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
See we kind of disagree here. You can truly feel regret and still do the same wrong over and over. Speaking for myself as a rambunctious unlawful youth... I repeated the same wrongs more than once and felt remorse over them each time. I think i still do that to a lesser extent sometimes. I guess feeling remorse makes it less likely but im not sure its some type of magic bullet.
It's not a magic bullet but I think people have stopped being repeat offenders or have withheld from doing something wrong and attribute their inaction to finding God.

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Originally Posted by batair
Also if we are saying true regret makes one less likely to repeat a crime. There is no rule which says non believers dont have true regret for their wrongs.
Yes but in terms of Atheism or Christianity, the consequences of not having true regret are much worse in Christian beliefs. Christianity has eternal suffering and eternal life components that atheism really can't match. Whether or not the knowledge of eternal life/suffering makes someone less likely to repeat a crime I dunno. Perhaps it does when coupled with all other Christian beliefs.
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08-13-2010 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
In fact i think its imposable for me to just turn a switch, believe, and be saved.
Then I agree with you.
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08-13-2010 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nittyit
It's not a magic bullet but I think people have stopped being repeat offenders or have withheld from doing something wrong and attribute their inaction to finding God.
Sure i agree.

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Yes but in terms of Atheism or Christianity, the consequences of not having true regret are much worse in Christian beliefs. Christianity has eternal suffering and eternal life components that atheism really can't match. Whether or not the knowledge of eternal life/suffering makes someone less likely to repeat a crime I dunno. Perhaps it does when coupled with all other religious beliefs.
Not if i teach him easy believing. He would only need to feel regret once and than he would have no fear of hell or any repercussion form future crimes.


I agree with you somewhat that Christianity would be the better thing to teach. But really your question is like asking what moral philosophy would you teach Christianity or nothing.
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08-13-2010 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Not if i teach him easy believing. He would only need to feel regret once and than he would have no fear of hell or any repercussion form future crimes.
Then why not just inform him of atheism? If you are an atheist that chooses to inform him of Christianity, I would assume it's because you want to alleviate the chances of him committing a crime again. Just teaching him easy believing probably wouldn't do the trick.

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I agree with you somewhat that Christianity would be the better thing to teach. But really your question is like asking what moral philosophy would you teach Christianity or nothing.
Does atheism have no moral philosophy?
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08-13-2010 , 08:00 PM
The argument that the fear of eternal punishment will make people behave morally has a long history, but as already mentioned, prison statistics don’t support it.
Anyone who has debated religious people will notice, how remarkably well the will of God in the eyes of the religious person, matches their own personal preferences.
Criminals are not exempt from this problem, and as a result the god a rapist envisions, will likely be quite OK with rape.
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08-13-2010 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nittyit
Then why not just inform him of atheism? If you are an atheist that chooses to inform him of Christianity, I would assume it's because you want to alleviate the chances of him committing a crime again. Just teaching him easy believing probably wouldn't do the trick.
Thats why i asked what type of Christianity im teaching. Easy believing wouldn't be much better then teaching him nothing.

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Does atheism have no moral philosophy?
No i dont think atheism has any teachings on moral philosophy's. So its like teaching nothing. Although if i teach him my brand of atheism which is idk if there is a God, or judgment, or an afterlife, than maybe those possibility's might stop him for repeating his crime.
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08-13-2010 , 08:49 PM
Damn, I was expecting to read, 'So a Christian, an atheist, and a rapist walk into a bar...' when I opened this thread
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08-13-2010 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
No i dont think atheism has any teachings on moral philosophy's. So its like teaching nothing. Although if i teach him my brand of atheism which is idk if there is a God, or judgment, or an afterlife, than maybe those possibility's might stop him for repeating his crime.
Atheism itself doesn't have any teaching on moral philosophy but atheists do have their own take on morals. If you chose to inform our felon about atheism and he asks you questions about morality, what would your answers be based upon?
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08-13-2010 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nittyit
Atheism itself doesn't have any teaching on moral philosophy but atheists do have a their own take on morals. If you chose to inform our felon about atheism and he asks you questions about morality, what would your answers be based upon?
My answer would be i cant talk about morality except in the Christian contexts because i would be breaking the rules of the OP which say i can only talk about atheism or Christianity.
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08-13-2010 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
My answer would be i cant talk about morality except in the Christian contexts because i would be breaking the rules of the OP which say i can only talk about atheism or Christianity.
Where in the OP does it say you must only talk about morality within the Christian context?
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08-13-2010 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nittyit
Where in the OP does it say you must only talk about morality within the Christian context?
You said we can only talk about Christianity or atheism. Atheism has no morals so i can only talk about Christianity's morals.

Now if you want to open this up and allow me to talk about secular humanism or how making people suffer is bad. Than im not talking about atheism anymore.

Last edited by batair; 08-13-2010 at 09:26 PM.
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08-13-2010 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
You said we can only talk about Christianity or atheism. Atheism has no morals so i can only talk about Christianity's morals.

Now if you want to open this up and allow me to talk about secular humanism or how making peole suffer is bad. Than im not talking about atheism anymore.
i was under this impression too.
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08-13-2010 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
You said we can only talk about Christianity or atheism. Atheism has no morals so i can only talk about Christianity's morals.

Now if you want to open this up and allow me to talk about secular humanism or how making people suffer is bad. Than im not talking about atheism anymore.
I understand and touche
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08-13-2010 , 09:32 PM
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I understand and touche
Sorry.
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08-13-2010 , 09:44 PM
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Sorry.
I boxed meself in with the moral argument.
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08-13-2010 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerok
The Lord's forgiveness is truly endless.
Unless you're born into a Muslim theocracy and die and get sent to Hell.
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08-13-2010 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Funology
If I thought there was any chance of him re-offending I would definitely try to teach him about Christianity. Especially if the rapist has psychopathic/non-empathetic traits - if they can be convinced that their immortal soul is in danger of being cast to the fiery coals, they might not re-offend, even if they don't actually give a crap about treating other people properly.
lol, but +1 and I have to agree. Let the animal think he'll burn if he rapes again imo.
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