Didn't the prophet Isaiah live approximately 850 years before Jesus Christ and prophesy his coming?

And didn't Jesus Christ come? Josephus, Tacitus, the Talmud and others testify that there was a Jesus Christ.

Well, the middle-east (with the odd exception) has never been a hotbed of women rights, so it is no surprise that the Abrahamic religions (judaism, islam and christianity) follows that very pattern.

For an atheist like myself that ofcourse makes perfect sense. Religion is nothing but a blend of a little superstititon and whatever culture the religion was born in sold as absolute morals. Mix in a little ritualism and you are set.

However... the problem is that religion is an excellent vessel for imposing morals. If you read my first post in this thread, you will see exactly what I am talking about.

Religion can eradicate and destroy sound and reasonable moral values, because it is based on a set of rules which makes it excempt from rational scrutity; "The woman must be subservient to the man" - "Why?" -> "Because God says so in his book"

On the flipside of the coin religion can also destroy unsound and unreasonable moral values, because it is excempt from rational inquiry... but that is not the case we are debating in this thread.

"What primates do" is actually somewhat irrelevant, because you will have to adequately show that there is no such thing as primate culture. You will have to ask the question "Can I train a chimpanzee to treat female chimpanzees as equals?" - Only if the answer to that question is no, will your observation have a bearing on this issue.

You said the Bible predicts world history and indicated that the initiated could break its code. Internal prophecies about Jesus are in no way provable. Something a bit more contemporary with external corroborating evidence is needed. Extra-Biblical evidence is not sufficient to demonstrate that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy. Not to mention practicing Jews will tell you that Jesus most certainly did not fulfill the Old Testament prophecies. So, do you have some provable examples of the predictive power of the Bible?

I'm not providing any more.

You already failed the first one. If you can't google and find the passage where Isaiah predicts Jesus Christ and do an elementary check of how far in advance of Jesus Christ that Isaiah lived then check it against the Talmud, Josephus and Tacitus then you won't believe anything imo.

If the fact that Judaism split into Judaism and Christianity doesn't make it clear that something, Jesus Christ, instigated that split then imo you're just determined to stick to your own conclusions and I don't feel compelled to waste any more of my own time. Time is the most valuable commodity in the world. You never get it back.

Tacitus and Josephus are not enough to verify the prophecy. I have studied the Old Testament prophecies, as well as comparative theologies of Judaism and Christianity including why Jews don't believe Jesus fulfilled the prophecy. You said it had predictive power. You haven't provided me an example of a provable prediction. Writers of the New Testament were extremely aware of their religious history and the Old Testament while they were writing Jesus' history. Do you have some kind of verifiable, extra-Biblical proof of its predictive power?

CompleteDegen what do you not understand about the highlighted statement?

I provided them on several occasions in the past. I don't provide them any more.

I probably won't be posting here any more as I refuse to take atheists seriously any more and just want to post lol in response to everything they say. I've spent 7 years of my life trying to explain and provide the proof to atheists and look at the Ban Splendour thread. I got blamed for people's disbelief. If they are so strong and right in their own thinking then I shouldn't influence them at all. Hopey's a liar there was never a time in the last 7 years that he was a theist. He hasn't made a pro-theist post in the entire time I've been here. He's always sided with the atheists on this board.

Kid yourself if you want. Blame other people that try to show you the error of your ways. It's still not going to avert Judgment Day. You are going to stand alone with all your works and your words.

You better think about the absurdity of setting yourself up as an authority over God.

You want to post lol at me legitimately trying to assess evidence of the Bible? OK.

From what I've seen, you post less proof than any other theist. Most of your posts rely on baseless assertions. I also wouldn't ban you, though I wish you would expand your perspective a bit, stop misrepresenting alternate positions and inventing facts. If some many people have a problem with the way you post, theists included, there's a good chance it's you, not them.

Problem with theology is it's almost impossible to determine who's "right" in their thinking. Seeing you post, however, has helped me solidify my stance against Christianity.

Maybe you could illustrate some errors in my ways, but you post far to incoherently and dishonestly to do that. I'm comfortable right now relying on my current morality.

I don't set myself as an authority over God. If there is a God, I acknowledge his authority. Until I know there is a God, however, I have to derive my morality from other sources or philosophies. I don't see God in the Bible and I've looked genuinely.

Second. And in being so, a pale imitation.