You might want to read the whole bible before you start acting like you know what Christians should or shouldn't do. You never know, you might have missed some parts..

If someone like yourself is going to tell me i need to accept your God, im going to tell you why i dont. Which means im going to tell you why i dont believe in your God and why i think he is false.

You cant proselytize and then get defensive when someone speaks up in defense of what they believe. I mean you can... but its unfair.

You're mistaken. This wasn't Yahweh, it was Vishnu.

How about showing him the bus for starters? If you're unable to do so, then maybe there really is no bus and you're seeing things, rather than him not seeing it.

Out of the part of the Bible you have read, can I'm ask if you have come across any contradictions that you have to put down to an error in translation and or interpretation.

Could you please answer my question. I think this is reasonable.

then you obviously don't care if your beliefs are true or not... if you don't care if your beliefs are complete nonsense or not then I think there is no point to talk about it anymore... just keep your delusions to yourself and don't go around preaching that your belief is true, since you don't even care to research them. Then you wonder why do people hate when Christians or other religious people want to come and preach to me that I am going to hell unless I follow their beliefs, beliefs fully based on faith, just like beliefs in alien abductions, fairies, big foot, etc..


you're right, if there is something like a god who decides who will go to hell and heaven then it is not your call, but it is your call to worship someone or not. And if you want to worship someone who wants to place more then 50% of population in hell only because they did not believe in him due to the lack of any evidence in his favor, then you are pretty wicked to me and your morality is in question...

Oh great, so you believe in GOD who created all of us so that he could play games with our feelings and our lives. He created us so that we would need his grace to be happy for eternity... Basically god created his human slaves and I should worship him... You got a sick dictator GOD out there in your imagination...

before you can claim that something really is, you need to prove that it is true and have evidence to back up your claim.. since you don't care if your beliefs are true or not, and you don't have any evidence for your version of reality to be true then making claims like , "but this is really how it is" is pretty much being very ignorant... and again, i'm baffled that people like you actually LIKE this version of reality where GOD is a dictator who decided to create his humans just so that he could play his little game...

The fail is strong with this OP

Nah, he's getting asked a lot of questions... OP is very reasonable imo.

Having this type of belief must be very depressing.

He gave up..

Or maybe he's finally reading the Bible and will report back when he has finished.

I'm pretty sure that cats(felis catus) are actually an alien species called "Nibblonians", but I actually haven't seen every episode of Futurama so I couldn't tell you where I got that idea. Maybe it was from other Futurama enthusiast, maybe a Nibblonian spoke to me in a dream and I just know it now... What ever the case is, IT IS WHAT I BELIEVE GOD DAMNIT.

Of course he gave up, defending delusions in front on intelligent people tends to make one feel like an idiot. The weird part is his idiocy is dwarfed by his emotional attachment to an idea.. I'm sure a lot of people would find comfort in believing that some supreme intelligent being is always watching them, and that when you die you actually don't die but go to a sweet resort style vacation for eternity but I just can't do it. It's too childish, too naive and too.......presumptuous.

Haha , that's funny... they better serve piña colada there or it's not real heaven....

There is no conflict between God and science. If there was, the atheist case would be a simple and elegant one rather than the flimsy patchwork of handwavy fallacies we currently see.

Could you point to where my case for not holding a positive belief in God is a flimsy patchwork of handwavy fallacies?

Concerto likes using the word "handwavy".

Oh, and in response to your question:

I present to you Concerto:

Who makes statements like the above but is a Creationist who spends an inordinate amount of time arguing against the TOE.

Obviously believing in an invisible omnipotent being that has no proof is solid evidence.

EDIT: I apologise for the sarcasm.

there are plenty conflicts between GODS and science... Even if people will come out with hundreds of excuses how one misunderstands the religious text and their creation stories, the one final conflict exists... either everything came to be by the powers of god or not.. it's a pretty big conflict to me...Religion claims to know the answer, claiming that God did it, science does not share the same stance, here goes a conflict...

Hey guys, I'm back. I've just been really busy with life lately so I haven't had time to come here and check up on the questions being asked and the comments being made. I think it is fairly reasonable that I cannot answer every single question/address every comment but I am trying my best.

I'm glad an interesting discussion sprung up early on, but I'd encourage those of you who are slipping towards bashing each other to just take a step back for a bit and realize that I'm simply trying to express some of my thoughts and I am by no means trying to force anything upon anyone.

To be honest, part of me simply wanted to lash out and so I chose not to come back to this part of the forums for a while.

I hope we can start up a healthy discussion again.

so , you want to start by answering some of the questions? or you don't feel like it?