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This doesn't seem to hold water because the people are not happy your loved ones died, they are only happy their loved one lived. If that kind of thing annoys you it seems like a personal issue rather than an issue with religion.

i dont think youre understanding his point. one family prays and gets nothing, the other prays and gets gods grace. as though god favored another over you; despite your both praying and faithfulness.

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03-31-2009 , 04:37 PM

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Splendour

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So an honest question:

Would you be able to pray side by side with a family member of someone saved in the same accident that caused you to lose 20 loved ones? Of course, they would be praying to god for his grace in saving their loved one, while you would probably be praying for the strength to accept the massive loss of your 20 loved ones. You would see no contradiction in that whatsoever? Their giddiness over thinking that god saved their family member, while yours all perished, wouldn't bother you one bit?

Well I might take it harder than it sounds. What I posted above is the ideal.

I like to leave things in God's hands gladly not with resignation. I believe you take charge of your problems but God has the final say on life or death.

I don't think I'd have a problem with the prayer situation because I rarely envy anyone enough to begrudge them or be jealous of their good fortune. I have plenty of other bad traits but that's not one of them.

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03-31-2009 , 05:17 PM

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makeit3bets

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i dont think youre understanding his point. one family prays and gets nothing, the other prays and gets gods grace. as though god favored another over you; despite your both praying and faithfulness.

But the praying is happening after that fact in the example. They already GOT god's grace or were smiten by him. They didn't pray "please don't kill my grandpa today," and then he was shot. I do get where he's going though now.

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03-31-2009 , 06:01 PM

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Lestat

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Originally Posted by makeit3bets

It's not a personal issue at all. It's an issue on the depth of sheer unmitigated gall such a position would take. You don't have to be happy that someone else's loved ones died. It's enough just to think that the very same god who thought enough to save your loved one, did nothing to save the loved one of the person standing next to you grieving. What kind of warped mind could seriously come to that conclusion?

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03-31-2009 , 06:07 PM

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Lestat

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I don't think I'd have a problem with the prayer situation because I rarely envy anyone enough to begrudge them or be jealous of their good fortune. I have plenty of other bad traits but that's not one of them.

If you truly would be able to practice what you preach, then more power to you. I respect you for that. As for myself, I know my weaknesses and you wouldn't want to be standing next to me while gloating about how god saved you from the same gunman who shot and killed my mother.

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03-31-2009 , 06:32 PM

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Our House

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I think the problem here is the word "God" that's being used. One person uses this vague-ass word to mean one thing and the other person hears it and thinks something totally different. Meanwhile, both people relate and forget about the elephant in the living room at the same time.

Change the scenario so the other person is a Muslim saying "I KNEW Allah would be there for my family!" and see if Splendour feels the same way as she claimed earlier.

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03-31-2009 , 08:35 PM

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Lestat

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I actually think it's worse when the assumption is that it's the same god. I remember some coal mining disaster where some survived, but there were also deaths. The loved ones of the survivors were thanking god on TV moments after others learned of the deaths of their loved ones.

At least if we were dealing with two different gods you could begin to justify the fickleness of the results. But how do you justify it when it's supposed to be the SAME god that both parties worship? I see no way to logically justify that.

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