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Can Something Come From Nothing? Can Something Come From Nothing?

06-09-2024 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Hmm, well, your response proves to me that nothing can for sure come from something... LOL Just a little humor...

Just in case you do not understand.

We are talking about "all" of the physical realm that exist. And that it did not come from nothing. That it came from something. It just did not appear or make itself. It had a beginning, an origin, a birth, an entrance so to speak.

The visible actually came from that which cannot be seen, the invisible. The things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

You do believe in the word invisible right? That the truth of "invisible" the "unseen” or “not able to be seen" exist? In other words, that which your eyes cannot see or detect, that which your five senses cannot detect or see.

If not let me give you and very easy to understand example.

Your thoughts are invisible, they exist in your head but you cannot see them, they can however be "manifested into the physical world". You can "speak" your thoughts which then would be detectable by someone's ears. You can "write" your thoughts and they then would be readable by someone's eyes.

So at least you see the concept and the mechanics of how it works. How something invisible can be manifested to be visible, detectable, seen in the senses realm?

This is an easy concept to agree upon I would think?
Science seems to say the so-called physical realm does not have a beginning. Let's hear how you know that it did (if that is your position). The Law of Conservation of Energy, the best knowledge that we have, insists that it is eternal. Some believe god is eternal with no evidence that god exists, and some think energy is eternal with massive evidence for that claim.
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06-20-2024 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Alter2Ego
Eldrick:

A theory is an educated guess aka speculation without evidence to prove it.


Alter2Ego



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Alter2Ego -

You do realize that Gravity is a theory correct?

Do you use a cell phone? Do you like using your cell phone?

Satellites were launched from the Earth into orbit so that your cell phone may operate using the "theory" of gravity calculations.

There are many theories in Science that have plenty of evidence.

I am no theologian, and I do not pretend to be.

Please do not pretend to be a Scientist.
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06-22-2024 , 07:54 PM
No way something comes from nothing more easily. The simpler option is not this.
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Yesterday , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Eldrick
Alter2Ego -

You do realize that Gravity is a theory correct?

Do you use a cell phone? Do you like using your cell phone?

Satellites were launched from the Earth into orbit so that your cell phone may operate using the "theory" of gravity calculations.

There are many theories in Science that have plenty of evidence.

I am no theologian, and I do not pretend to be.

Please do not pretend to be a Scientist.
Eldrick:

You do realize that Gravity is not only a theory; correct? That's what I told another atheist a while back when he came with the same argument that you are using, namely: the "gravity is a theory" argument. Every informed person reading this thread can figure out what you are trying to accomplish with that argument. We are expected to draw the following conclusion:

Since we know gravity exists and gravity is a theory, then evolution must likewise be a reality because evolution, too, is a theory. You seem ignorant of the fact that gravity is not merely a theory. It is also a scientific LAW.

A scientific theory is nothing more than a group of hypotheses aka educated guesses. A scientific law, on the other hand, is defined as "a statement of fact, deduced from observation."

https://www.britannica.com/science/N...of-gravitation

At no time has any theory been given the definition "fact." Not once.


BTW: I never claimed to be a scientist. Your "Please do not pretend to be a Scientist" comment applies to you as well.



Alter2Ego


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Yesterday , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
The Big Bang “theory” essential teaches that something came from nothing .. which is Mathematically and logically impossible… what say ye?

An existing building that can be seen by the human eye obviously had a builder.
An existing car that can be driven by a human obviously had a maker.

You would be considered a fool if you didn’t believe that these two lifeless things didnt have a maker or builder or if you thought they just made themselves.

Yet when you honestly look at all of the universe and all of creation and all of the many life forms on earth and in the seas, you can honestly say they just came from nothing?

Athiesm is illogical and very dishonest in my opinion, you have to literally lie to yourself, deny logic and close your eyes to believe there is no Creator of it all …
Pletho:

You are right on point. Ask any atheist where the various materials came from so that the Big Bang would cause the universe to expand, and they have no credible answer. They will dream up something that makes no senses and for which they have no evidence. In fact, ask them what caused the Big Bang, and you will hear every type of science fiction aka fairytale known to man.


Alter2Ego


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Yesterday , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Alter2Ego
Pletho:

You are right on point. Ask any atheist where the various materials came from so that the Big Bang would cause the universe to expand, and they have no credible answer. They will dream up something that makes no senses and for which they have no evidence. In fact, ask them what caused the Big Bang, and you will hear every type of science fiction aka fairytale known to man.


Alter2Ego


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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
Yeah because the answer is "We don't know" ... instead of "Therefore Jesus did it." LOL.
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Today , 10:47 AM
Alter2Ego -

*sigh* The law of Gravity that you listed is the formula by which you calculate the gravitational force that 2 objects exert on each other.

The Theory - which we do not exactly know why - is why this happens. The general consensus is that it is a warping of space time.

Why bring up evolution? I've always wondered why religious people get so butt hurt about evolution?

Why can't your imaginary being have actually created evolution as well?

Do you understand what a singularity is? There is plenty of literature out there if you would like to understand it.

I also wonder if you would be the same person 400 years ago arguing that the Earth is the center of the Universe and wanting to put to death anyone who thought different.

Have a good day!
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