I think you should examine the claims and study the chronology and history of the religions more.

Christianity makes the greatest claims. Christ is the son of God, Christ rose from the dead, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, etc.

Christianity was initially spread without the sword.

I recommend reading Dr. Stephen E. Jones....He writes well, he's got a good grasp on history, he handles all the biggest objections that atheists make on the grounds of eternal punishment and why everyone isn't saved. He explains everything from the OT through the NT. It's hard to find someone that knows history, the OT and the NT. Usually scholars specialize in one of the 3 and haven't put all 3 together so they fit in a coherent fashion.

I don't care about the reading you want me to do.. please write in few sentences why is bible TRUE, what evidence do you have that it is, and what evidence do you have that other holy books are false and other GOD's don't exist..

The bible isn't a book about people searching for God it is a book about God revealing himself to humanity. It shows God's dealings with people not people searching for God.

It was written over a span of more than 1500 years by 40 different authors all of different circumstances, times, locations and professions in several different forms such as poetry, history, and prophecy yet still has thematic integrity throughout.

Many books leave the impression that God inspired the author. But that isn't what the bible writers claim. They claim that God wrote the bible. That is the understanding of the people of God down through the ages. You will find Christ at the center of the bible, at the center of history and at the center of people's lives. It's His story.

Are you trying to not to answer my questions on purpose? Once again... please write in few sentences why is bible TRUE, what evidence do you have that it is, and what evidence do you have that other holy books are false and other GOD's don't exist..

This is not a persuasive argument.

If God set me in certain circumstances he may not want me to do more than a cursory inspection of other religions but I personally already did more than that.

I've looked at some beliefs outside of Christianity like some Taoism, Buddhism and even Eckhart Tolle and been exposed to some Hinduism through Yoga. People usually will brush other religions to some degree in today's world whether they intend to or not.

So who do I obey God who apparently set me in circumstances to be a Christian or some logical argument designed to challenge my faith?

I believe God set me in my circumstances to be a Christian and I also believe after reading J.H. Allen and Steven M. Collins and the Jews and the Joes site and Dr. Steven E. Jones that God actually has a planned path for his servant people. Christians are an extension of his plans through the Jews to save the world. A blind world would have trouble finding this out though without a diligent search. I've been conducting the search for years now so I feel confident there is a mountain of evidence for what I am saying. It has just been obscured by history. I suspect God wants it that way since our eternal fates hinge on what we decide about his Son so his Son is suppose to be in the bright limelight. Study his Son is the best advice anyone could ever give you.

Didn't you just say before.. "You can go to school all you want. Illumination comes from the Spirit. " I don't think you have given enough time to hundreds of other religions to get the illumination...

so god has a plan for all of us, he sets some in such circumstances that made them atheists on purpose? so that he would have someone to go to hell? again, either we have a free will or we don't claiming that we do but than claiming that GOD constantly tweaks around my circumstances makes no sense..

where is that evidence? just because you want there to be evidence doesn't make it so... so GOD is hiding evidence so that people would have a harder time getting to heaven? Clearly, there is no evidence that your god exists so one needs to take a leap of faith and suspend reason to believe in his existence to be saved. I find it hard to believe that the "scientist of it all" would want to judge us based on our faith then on reason... after all if your claims are true he designed us and gave us the brain, mind, consciousness, reason , etc.


at the end... you still have no proof that the bible is true, that your god is real and that other gods are not...

He doenst answer my number one objection in not believing in the biblical God. I dont have a personal relationship with a God and in order to believe in a personal God like the bibles i need one.

How come some theists cant understand answering the objections to the bible wont result in belief. Or in other words no matter how you want me to interpreted the bible, i could interpret it exactly like you, i wouldn't believe in its God.

God does have a plan. He has a pattern for the way he is saving the world. That's why I told you to read Jones. Jesus Christ was the first in the pattern then there are the first fruits (the first Resurrection) then there's the rest of the world (the Second Resurrection).

If you ask me hell is most likely a laver. It's a purifying fire most of the people of the world will go through. The narrow gate is into the first resurrection that only certain people go through.

God has a plan and there's a pattern. Why does everyone think he's done creating? I think he's only given us the section of the pattern he is currently working on because we are involved in this pattern. It doesn't mean he's stopped creating.

Read up on the crowns in the bible. There are 5 crowns given out to believers. It's better to be striving for crowns than to be worrying about hell all the time.

Do what is right and you shouldn't even have to worry about hell. That's common sense....you don't have to take a philosophy course to figure that out.

Well Rome wasn't built in a day and neither are relationships.

The best place to start is with the nature of God. Study the nature of God. God didn't reveal himself because he hates you. If he hated you he wouldn't have constructed a book with such care to guide you.

I suggest meditating on simple truths. Like "God is Love" or John 3:16.

God doesn't have it in for you. We are just the very far side of the coil of history and things have gotten really twisted around and it's hard to see God in things because there is so much information to sort.

You never answer questions do you? instead just tell me some other nonsense... If GOD has a plan then it must be his plan for me not to believe in him, so if that's his plan then where is my free will? Why did he plan for me to go to hell(since I don't believe in him , and accepting him is one of the conditions for being saved) ...

so you are saying that the bible is constructed with god's care? The book looks like a collection of contradictory messages... he did a terrible job...

btw. you sound like any other crazy preacher...

for example..
child asks a preacher, why does god allow so many children to die from starvation? Preacher replies, you'll never know because he works in mysterious ways..

same in this example.. "Study the nature of god"... lol !!

I know i just haven't searched hard enough with an opened heart, its my fault.

I did answer you and I gave you my source above for an explanation of hell.

Hell is never mentioned in the Old Testament. God is a fire in the OT.

But he's not a punishing fire. He's a holy fire.

Also I think we have a will but its a coerced will. In this world no one's will is completely free. There's always a law or an institutional authority like a government or school rules telling us what to do. Google Dr. Stephen E. Jones site then search on Thelema or Boulema. One is god's will and the other is his plan.

gl!

google.. delusion

"God interceding in human affairs would take away free will" is a crock.

Consider these circumstances:

1) A person is drowning. I jump in and save her. Have I interfered with her free will? Of course not. (Unless she's trying to kill herself, which is another question all together.)

2) A person is drowning but there is no one there to saver her but God. How does God doing something - say, causing a strong wind to push her to shore - interfering with her free will?

3) I decide to leave my wife and child to play poker on the road. I start taking drugs and drink too much. I end up drunk, on meth, and driving into a telephone pole, killing myself. God decides not to interfere in my choices because that WOULD be interfering with my free will. Okay, that one I get...you reap what you sow.

4) Same drunk driving situation but I instead mow down a gaggle of school children. God doesn't intercede on their behalf. Why not?

Are you telling me that in God's eyes, my free will supersedes those school children's right to life? I didn't mean to kill those children, so it really wasn't my "will" that they die. Maybe if I was intentionally trying to harm someone and God stopped me, we might have an "intercession of free will" problem...but not in this situation.

5) What if I'm dying of cancer and want to live? My free will would like to live, please. Of course, my choices up to this point were smoking, eating badly, and not wearing sunscreen, so again, I've reaped what I have sown. But does that free will supersede my current free will about wanting to live?

Christians love saying the problem of evil is because this world is a "fallen" world, and golly gee willikers, God sure would love to help us, but his hands are tied because of free will. What??

If the reason we are fallen is because of "sin" or "Satan" or anything else, it really doesn't answer the question: why doesn't God stop bad things from happening?

Christians spout this nonsense like that actually understand what it is they're saying. And they don't. It's nonsense.

Well said sir!

what i find the most interesting and quite amusing is that the non-believers seem to get so offended or upset at another person's belief. And at times almost or actually mocking a person for their belief. If you CHOOSE to not believe good for you, your life. Just curious why are you getting so offensive about another person's religion?

maybe i should rephrase question and ask why are you getting so defensive about another person's religion?

Because people use their religion to justify enacting bad laws and doing immoral things. The fewer adherents those kinds of religions have, the better. (I believe in god - I also think creationists should be confronted and refuted).

Good point but irrelevant in this scenario.

Prayer takes care of BBV4Life....

Not really. You asked why they cared about believers' beliefs and you're not the first - I gave you one of the most common responses.

Don't be so results oriented.

What?

So you pray not wanting a particular result? i.e the saving of a loved one.

I know what people say if they think their prayers have been answered.

I just want to know what they think/feel when it goes unanswered. I know most of the time its the usual, all gods plan, mysterious ways etc.