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Originally Posted by Pletho
Truth and Facts are not the same - One is based on eternal realities and the other is based on physical evidence that are ever changing, therefore never reliable.
The Words in the Word of God, when rightly divided are the truth.
Truth is spiritual, facts are physical. Physical facts are based on spiritual truths and principles.
The physical realm cannot and would not exist without the spiritual realm which cannot be seen by the naked eye. In order to receive anything or understand anything from God's word you have to believe first, and then see. You can't say you believe and try to fake it, God is not dumb. Believing is not biased, it works for everyone. It's a law. The law of believing is what determines where you go in life. Your successes and failures.
So, don't say you are willing to listen to facts, but yet when the word of God (which is written with ink on physical paper) is shared with you, (which is actually factually true, and exists and at the same time it's spiritually true) you still deny it....
Sorry, I have had many a meaningful.discussion on.spirituality, but you sir have well and truly mugged yourself off here, what a load of Bo**ox.....Let's disect:
Eternal realities don't change yet the laws of physics do? I'm going out on a limb here but you might have that backwards.....the laws of physics fundamentaly hold true at all points within the universe our world is completely based in them....to deny these are true is to deny that 1+1=2.... If you don't accept the basic realises of life there is no hope for you....
The words of God.....written in the Bible are all factually accurate....come on....even the Pope doesn't believe that anymore....news flash. The world was not created in 7days....Adam and Eve are not the inception if all human life....Unless of course they carried every hereditary, or genetic disorder known, they were also simultaneously black, white, Chinese, Hispanic, and any other race you can think of.....
Physical facts are mot based on spiritual truths, they are based on maths and experimental verification....not.sure I need to say any more here....
Belief in itself implies doubt....if you believe something to be true you imply the doubt that it may not be, you don't need to believe in facts, they are facts there is no doubt.....based on your statement for me to experience God I have to believe in him, and as such have to doubt his existence,but would then not be able to experience him/her.....
I always listen to the facts....
But I'm at an impasse because you suggest everythung written down in ink must be the truth and I just read hurry Potter and I am worried that my son might be a real life wizard.....
Please I expected from this forum an intellectual discussion about theology, spirituality, I am interested in the concepts behind the facts, why are the laws of thermodynamics such that allows life to exist...why do all possibilities exist before they are observed by a conscious being. Are the laws of physics such because we choose them to be, we're they tweaked by creator, or are they just....
Real philosophical questions, not some crank spouting nonsense with no concept of the real world....
Feel free to retort, just make it meaningful this time.
Maybe before you do you can decide if I 'believe' in God or not....