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07-22-2011 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Judaism preceded Buddhism. It was around thousands of years before the Buddha was born. So I don't think Buddhism is the origin of Christian beliefs.
judaism is a different thing. The new testament is the christian part, and it came 500 years after. I wonder if you are speaking in good faith with that comment.
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07-22-2011 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Buddhism has no monopoly on meditation and if you think they do you might miss being born again. Jesus Christ said "You must be born again."
Why do you just make up stuff? Never said that Buddhism has a monopoly on meditation.

For christ's sake - I think I have just been trolling myself. Just don't look for answers further away than your own nose, you might hurt yourself. Anyhow - do you think there might be any similarities between the concept of being "born again" and "killing the buddha?" Think about it.
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07-24-2011 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kentucky Buddha
Not only does buddhism have no monopoly on meditation, I would be very pleased (as the Dalai Lama is by the way) to have the two things segregated for public consumption.
Totally agree. I also wish secular forms of meditation would be segregated from the whole New Age movement. Too many people think of meditation as hokey or hippie-ish or New Age-y and they're really missing out. I expect meditation will become more and more popular now that the medical community is finally starting to realize the physical and mental benefits.

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Originally Posted by Kentucky Buddha
The fact is you can be both buddhist and christian
I know some people claim to be both, but they're either ignoring the glaring conflicts in the two sets of teachings or they're picking and choosing beliefs from each set of teachings while leaving others out.

The most obvious conflict is that Christianity teaches salvation of an immortal soul, while one of Buddha's most important teachings is that there is no such thing as a soul (or even a self). That alone is a dealbreaker on being both Christian and Buddhist, isn't it? You can't believe both of those things at the same time.

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07-24-2011 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TexArcher
I know some people claim to be both, but they're either ignoring the glaring conflicts in the two sets of teachings or they're picking and choosing beliefs from each set of teachings while leaving others out.

The most obvious conflict is that Christianity teaches salvation of an immortal soul, while one of Buddha's most important teachings is that there is no such thing as a soul (or even a self). That alone is a dealbreaker on being both Christian and Buddhist, isn't it? You can't believe both of those things at the same time.
buddhist thought as many do it has nothing to do with an afterlife at all. They are too busy with fixing what is wrong with them in this life to worry about any more. In that context you could indeed do. That jesus claimed to be the only way to salvation does not really conflict. Granted there are flavors of buddhist that obviously believe in reincarnation and samsara, but others not so much.

I do get what you mean and certainly being a tibetan buddhist and a catholic is a deal breaker. But, for example you could very well be a zen or ch'an buddhist and be a devoted christian and not have a conflict at all.

For me personally, yhea, there would be a disconnect as there is no way I could have a mustard seed of faith in much of anything. : )
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07-24-2011 , 02:01 PM
Yeah, KB, I know several Zennies who don't believe in rebirth at all -- some think Buddha was speaking metaphorically when he talked about rebirth and some only read the Heart Sutra and Zen writings and have little interest in what the historical Buddha taught.

So I suppose a Zennie who doesn't believe in Buddhist rebirth and does believe in a soul to be saved could also be a practicing Christian -- I know Thich Nhat Hahn keeps a statue of both Buddha and Jesus on his altar, though he's never claimed to be a Christian, just a believe in multi-faith interaction for common good.

But I also know Theravadins who would tell you that any school of Buddhism that does not teach anatta (not-self, no soul to be saved) and dependent origination (including rebirth) is not really Buddhism, much as a Catholic might tell you that Mormonism is not really Christianity. Both the Mahayana sutras and the Book of Mormon came along centuries later and contain teachings that are at times very different from what the historical Buddha and Christ taught. I don't know if I agree with those Theravadins on this, but I think it's a fair question to ask: how much of a teaching can you leave out or change and still be referred to as a follower of that teaching? Is Zen properly called a school of Buddhism or is it more of an offshoot of Buddhism?

But hey, if it gets you through the night and makes you work at being a better person the next morning, I guess it doesn't matter what we call it.
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07-24-2011 , 02:42 PM
Nice post and lots of stuff there that are thinkers, and I want to get back to the convo as soon as I can but I may be busy the next couple of days with a move.

The thing I am thinking right now is that people self-apply terms that in no way fit all the time. How are we to enforce what people call themselves? I think to be a christian you have to love jeebus with all your heart, all your mind and all your spirit, and love your neighbor as yourself, be baptized and have repented as a minimum. Being a buddhist is less clear. I think the fairy stories about the buddha are all silly. I believe the real guy was probably wizened by having the scales of some level of delusion taken from his eyes, but was a really crappy husband/father. People don't talk about the last bit as much. How much empathy was there?

I know when I do things that require the world to disappear like driving fast, boxing, shooting, etc., I know a kind of peace that I would strive to attain when I am just mindful and sitting still. I am good at it in a woods with a thousand sounds that mean something to me, not so good with my head on a pillow in a dark and quiet bedroom. Crap! Gotta go, tons of stuff to sort and movers showing up in the morning. lol Later bub.
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07-24-2011 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kentucky Buddha
I think the fairy stories about the buddha are all silly. I believe the real guy was probably wizened by having the scales of some level of delusion taken from his eyes,
So would I be correct to surmise from this that you don't believe Buddha actually attained Nibbana/Nirvana, i.e. he overcame some delusion but not all delusion? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Kentucky Buddha
but was a really crappy husband/father. People don't talk about the last bit as much. How much empathy was there?
For those who don't know what KB is referring to, the historical Buddha, a prince named Siddhattha Gotama, left his wife and young son when he was 29 to search for the path to enlightenment. He tried asceticism, the common practice of the time, for six years to no avail. So, realizing that no one could guide him to the path that would lead to enlightenment, he decided to search for it on his own through meditation. After 49 days of nearly-constant meditation, while deep in a meditative state called Jhana, he achieved complete insight into the Four Noble Truths and attained Nibbana: the final release from suffering and the round of rebirths.

I have to agree that it sounds terribly heartless to leave a wife and child behind and go off to search for personal enlightenment. But we know that the Buddha had already fully understood and appreciated the First Noble Truth (the truth of dukkha: the inherent suffering and unsatisfactoriness of this entire existence). This being the case, he probably felt that escaping from this samsaric existence was the single most important thing in the world, not only for himself, but also for his wife and son and everyone else. The path had to be found; it must have felt like a calling that he could not have denied. And after he returned and started the order of monks, both his son and later his wife joined and attained Nibbana themselves, so it worked out a lot better for them in the end than if Siddhattha had never left (if one believes in samsara and Nibbana and all that).

Hope your move goes more smoothly than most do!
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07-25-2011 , 09:48 AM
I am not absolutely for sure what he did. : )

The analogy of the "guitar" string and being wound too loosely, or too tight being bad is a good one. I am also a fan of the Nicomachean Ethics and think balance is a good thing weighted against ethics/wisdom, so not always at a mathematical mean. For example, if the Nazis asked me where Anne Frank was I would lie my ass off and not piously say that "I know where she is but I am not going to tell you", because that would be ******ed. They would rip out your fingernails and everyone you know until they did know where she was. So, I think pragmatism and wisdom have to have commerce with values, and the buddhist seem to do that well.
But, as I mentioned before, to me...if you are going to have children they must be raised with loving-kindness and doting affection. You need the equanimity of a buddha already to do a passable job as it is just too important to get wrong. This is why I was passing judgement in a way on the historical buddha which you explained very well. I just don't believe there is anything like a "calling" that trumps that instinct that should be there (unless you are a wackadoo, and obv many are...and are crappy parents). The fact is we now know that you literally change the epigenetics of a human or animal by not doting on them when young. Licked rats is what I call them because of the early studies on rats but they will be better adjusted more calm and have all the wonderful biochemical proofs of it like a better cortisol response as well as the extended telemere lifespan as I alluded above.
So, to distil it, I have no idea what happened a long time ago with some dude. I doubt it was much different than happens with people now. (as an homage to the great blacksploitation film)I am just after making my own redneck-buddhist-sploitation film of a fashion "I am fixin' ta git ya Sukha". lol Like I say I would be pleased to strip all the buddhist from the buddhist philosophy and stick with what we can prove scientifically...which is now wonderfully abundant thanks to the mind and life institute, and the work of several scientist that have been doing serious academic work in this lane for quite some time. Oddly, that is precisely what the Dalai Lama wants as well. Funny that huh? If you were curious that is what atheist like about buddhism over other religions.

Oh and the move will go fine, thanks for your well wishes! We are military, so we do it all the time, but it still gets old. lol : )
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07-26-2011 , 01:24 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...292,full.story

People who think buddhism is some sort of progressive enlightened religion are idiots.

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Yo There are tens of thousands of female monks who surely don't fear themselves and women are welcome at just about every temple in the world.
It's pretty common belief in theravadan buddhism that women can not achieve buddhahood without being reborn as men. Tibetan nuns have nothing close to a equal position to monks.
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07-26-2011 , 01:57 PM
Women in Early Buddhism

The founder of the religion, Gautama Buddha, permitted women to join his monastic community and fully participate in it, although there were certain provisos or garudhammas. As Susan Murcott comments, "The nun's sangha was a radical experiment for its time"[3] Dr. Mettanando Bhikkhu says of the First Buddhist council: "Perhaps Mahakassappa and the bhikkhus of that time were jealous of the bhikkhunis being more popular and doing more teaching and social work than the bhikkhus. Their anti-women prejudice became institutionalized at that time with the eight garudhammas, the eight weighty restrictions. We must discontinue that prejudice. There is no anti-women prejudice in Jainism and they survived in India; whereas Buddhism had prejudice and did not survive in India".[4] Although it must be said that this is factually incorrect, because there are jain sects like the Digambara sect, which believes that women are capable of spiritual progress, but must be reborn male, in order to attain final spiritual liberation.[5] It is also highly doubtful that the garudhammas were motivated by Mahakaasapa's being jealous, as he is said to be an enlightened one and one of the principle disciples of the Buddha.[6] Furthermore there's no support within canon, to suggest that the bhikkunis were more popular, taught more or that they did more social work than Bhikkhus.

According to Ajahn Sujato, the early texts state that the most severe of the garudhammas, which states that every nun must bow to every monk, was instituted by the Buddha because of the customs of the time, and modern scholars doubt that the rule even goes back to the Buddha at all.[7] Furthermore, an identical rule is found in Jainism.[8]

According to Diana Paul, the traditional view of women in Early Buddhism is that they are inferior.[9] Rita Gross agrees that "a misogynist strain is found in early Indian Buddhism. But the presence of some clearly misogynist doctrines does not mean that the whole of ancient Indian Buddhism was misogynist".[10] The mix of positive attitudes to femininity with blatantly negative sentiment has led many writers to characterise early Buddhism's attitude to women as deeply ambivalent.[11]

Some commentators on the Aganna-Sutta from the Pali Canon, a record of the teachings of Gautama Buddha, interpret it as showing women as responsible for the downfall of the human race. However, Buddhist interpretation is generally that it shows lust in general, rather than women, as causing the downfall.[12]

However, despite some less positive images of women in Early Buddhism, there are also examples in the Pali Canon which suggest that the very concept of gender differentiation can serve as a hinderance to attaining nirvana, or enlightenment. For example, in the Bhikkhuni-samyutta, found in the Sagatha-vagga of the Samyutta Nikaya, gender discrimination is stated to be the work of Mara, a personification of temptation from the Buddhist spiritual path. In the Soma Sutta, the bhikkhuni Soma states: "Anyone who thinks 'I'm a woman' or 'a man' or 'Am I anything at all?' — that's who Mara's fit to address",[13] linking gender neutrality to the Buddhist concept of anatta, or "not-self", a strategy the Buddha taught for release from suffering.[14] In a sutta titled "Bondage", the Buddha states that when either a man or a woman clings to gender identity, that person is in bondage.[15]

Women's Spiritual Attainment

The various schools and traditions within Buddhism hold different views as to the possibilities of women's spiritual attainments.[16] Feminist scholars have also noted than even when a woman's potential for spiritual attainment is acknowledged, records of such achievements may not be kept - or may be obscured by gender-neutral language or mis-translation of original sources by Western scholars.

Limitations on Women's Attainments in Buddhism

According to Bernard Faure, "Like most clerical discourses, Buddhism is indeed relentlessly misogynist, but as far as misogynist discourses go, it is one of the most flexible and open to multiplicity and contradiction."[17]

In the Buddhist tradition, positions of apparently worldly power are often a reflection of the spiritual achievements of the individual. For example, any gods are living in higher realms than a human being and therefore have a certain level of spiritual attainment. Cakravartins and Buddhas are also more spiritual advanced than an ordinary human being. However, as Zen nun Heng-Ching Shih states, women in Buddhism are said to have five obstacles, namely being incapable of becoming a Brahma King, `Sakra` , King `Mara` , Cakravartin or Buddha.[16] This is based on the statement of Gautama Buddha in the Bahudhātuka-sutta of the Majjhima Nikaya in the Pali Canon that it is impossible that a woman should be "the perfectly rightfully Enlightened One'", "the Universal Monarch", "the King of Gods", "the King of Death" or "Brahmaa'".[18]

Women and Buddhahood

Although early Buddhist texts such as the Cullavagga section of the Vinaya Pitaka of the Pali Canon contain statements from Gautama Buddha, the founder of Buddhism, speaking to the fact that a woman can attain enlightenment,[19] it is also clearly stated in the Bahudhātuka-sutta that there could never be a female Buddha. As Prof. Heng-Ching Shih[20] states, women in Buddhism are said to have five obstacles, namely being incapability of becoming a Brahma King, `Sakra` , King `Mara` , Cakravartin or Buddha.[16] This is based on the statement of Gautama Buddha in the Bahudhātuka-sutta of the Majjhima Nikaya in the Pali Canon that it is impossible that a woman could be "the perfectly rightfully Enlightened One'", "the Universal Monarch", "the King of Gods", "the King of Death" or "Brahmā'".[18]

In Theravada Buddhism, the modern school based on the Buddhist philosophy of the earliest dated texts, Buddhahood is a rare event. The focus of practice is primarily on attaining Arhatship and the Pali Canon has examples of both male and female Arhats who attained nirvana. Yashodhara, the former wife of Buddha Shakyamuni, mother of his son Rahula, is said to have become an arhat after having joined the Bhikkhuni order of Buddhist nuns. In Mahayana schools, Buddhahood is the universal goal for Mahayana practitioners. The Mahayana sutras, like the Pali Canon literature, maintain that a woman can become enlightened, only not in female form. For example, the Bodhisattvabhūmi, dated to the 4th Century, states that a woman about to attain enlightenment will be reborn in the male form. According to Miranda Shaw, "this belief had negative implications for women insofar as it communicated the insufficiency of the female body as a locus of enlightenment".[21]

However, in the tantric iconography of the Vajrayana practice path of Buddhism, female Buddhas do appear. Sometimes they are the consorts of the main yidam of a meditation mandala but Buddhas such as Vajrayogini, Tara and Simhamukha appear as the central figures of tantric sadhana in their own right.[21] Vajrayana Buddhism also recognizes many female yogini practitioners as achieving the full enlightenment of a Buddha, Miranda Shaw as an example cites sources referring to "Among the students of the adept Naropa, reportedly two hundred men and one thousand women attained complete enlightenment".[21] Yeshe Tsogyal, one of the five tantric consorts[22] of Padmasambhava is an example of a woman (Yogini) recognized as a female Buddha in the Vajrayana tradition. According to Karmapa lineage however Tsogyel has attained Buddhahood in that very life. On the website of the Karmapa, the head of the Karma Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism, it is stated that Yeshe Tsogyal - some thirty years before transcending worldly existence - finally emerged from an isolated meditation retreat, (c.796-805 AD), as "a fully enlightened Buddha"[23](samyak-saṃbuddha)[citation needed].

There are predictions from Sakyamuni Buddha to be found in the thirteenth chapter of the Mahayana Lotus Sutra,[24] referring to future attainments of Mahapajapati and Yasodhara.

In the 20th Century Tenzin Palmo, a Tibetan Buddhist nun in the Drukpa Lineage of the Kagyu school, stated "I have made a vow to attain Enlightenment in the female form - no matter how many lifetimes it takes".[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Buddhism
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07-26-2011 , 02:36 PM
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seems like early Buddhism was better towards women then Christianity. Thanks for posting.
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07-26-2011 , 03:15 PM
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seems like early Buddhism was better towards women then Christianity. Thanks for posting.
Imho Jesus Christ was the greatest defender of women that ever lived.

Satan is the Great Misogynist.

And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

There are lots of pictures still around today of the Buddha sitting under snakes. Snakes were symbolic of wisdom in the ancient world. Could it be that worldly wisdom was dominating in the pre-Christ world yet passing away and weakening in post Christ times?

But there still seems to be a bit of a dichotomy today. Lots of people, particularly in poker forums, like to diss women. Always liking to put the ladies poker skillz down....You hear it everyday on here.

Oh well. When Jesus Christ returns I suppose there will finally be an end to the world's misogyny.
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07-26-2011 , 04:07 PM
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seems like early Buddhism was better towards women then Christianity. Thanks for posting.
Oh btw, why don't you try practicing what you preach and actually compare Buddhist doctrine and practices with Christianity's since you want to condemn the board's Christians for their ignorance about other religions.

In Christianity a believing woman can sanctify her unbelieving spouse and children. That says something about Jesus Christ's saving power and about a woman follower of Jesus' status.

But in Tantric Buddhism you still have higher ranking monks pretending to be celibate who engage in secret practices that exploit women.

Judith Campbell being interviewed on her experiences while involved with Tibetan Buddhism:
http://www.anandainfo.com/tantric_robes.html
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07-26-2011 , 04:49 PM
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Oh btw, why don't you try practicing what you preach and actually compare Buddhist doctrine and practices with Christianity's since you want to condemn the board's Christians for their ignorance about other religions.
What am I preaching again?

I've looked at different aspects of many different religions throughout my life. I don't happen to very knowledgeable about Buddhism but doing so isn't really relevent to anything is it. The reason I point to other religions in discussions on this forum is simply to point out that other religions make similar claims that aren't taken into account in the discussions with many theists. Usually to point out that many arguments given by Christians can be used to 'prove' the truth of other religions.

I have no reason to study Buddhism as it has no bearing on the claims or arguments I make.

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In Christianity a believing woman can sanctify her unbelieving spouse and children. That says something about Jesus Christ's saving power and about a woman follower of Jesus' status.
Sssh. The Bible is very clear that a woman shouldn't try to educate a man.

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“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12).
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But in Tantric Buddhism you still have higher ranking monks pretending to be celibate who engage in secret practices that exploit women.

Judith Campbell being interviewed on her experiences while involved with Tibetan Buddhism:
http://www.anandainfo.com/tantric_robes.html
why again does this matter to me? I have no experience with Buddhists, they are not a force in my culture, they are not a requirement to be leaders in my country, they are not trying to make laws. I don't endorse Buddhism. I'm not really sure what your point is.
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07-26-2011 , 06:08 PM
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What am I preaching again?

I've looked at different aspects of many different religions throughout my life. I don't happen to very knowledgeable about Buddhism but doing so isn't really relevent to anything is it. The reason I point to other religions in discussions on this forum is simply to point out that other religions make similar claims that aren't taken into account in the discussions with many theists. Usually to point out that many arguments given by Christians can be used to 'prove' the truth of other religions.

I have no reason to study Buddhism as it has no bearing on the claims or arguments I make.



Sssh. The Bible is very clear that a woman shouldn't try to educate a man.


Out of context. I suggest you research who Priscilla in the NT was and note that Paul praised her.


why again does this matter to me? I have no experience with Buddhists, they are not a force in my culture, they are not a requirement to be leaders in my country, they are not trying to make laws. I don't endorse Buddhism. I'm not really sure what your point is.
Just get out of the thread and stop pretending.

You're the typical atheist who likes to say which claim is right yet you haven't done the doctrinal/practice homework yourself.
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07-27-2011 , 12:00 AM
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Just get out of the thread and stop pretending.

You're the typical atheist who likes to say which claim is right yet you haven't done the doctrinal/practice homework yourself.
stop being your useless ineffective self and ignoring most of what people post, making faulty assertions about people and then leaving.

I asked you to clarify again what I'm preaching.
I asked how Buddhism is relevent to any argument I've made.
Most people on this forum have done more research then you. The difference between you and nearly everyone else on the forum is they actually appear to understand what they read and they don't make every thread an endless stream of non sequitors and can actually follow a conversation.

You're continuing your "holier then thou" act by pretending you're well researched and anyone who disagrees with you isn't. No one's buying it except yourself.
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07-27-2011 , 08:58 AM
Read the OP.

I'm posting things I find out about Buddhism as I discover them. Read FBandit's post.

I have had atheists in the past recommend and imply Buddhism is better than Christianity to me but I don't think they've studied Buddhist culture. Women were required to walk 2 steps behind the men in Japan until very recently and they still practice selective abortion against girl children all over Asia today. It doesn't seem like Buddhism did anything for women's rights.
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07-27-2011 , 10:19 AM
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I have had atheists in the past recommend and imply Buddhism is better than Christianity to me but I don't think they've studied Buddhist culture. Women were required to walk 2 steps behind the men in Japan until very recently and they still practice selective abortion against girl children all over Asia today. It doesn't seem like Buddhism did anything for women's rights.
I don't think you have studied any culture much - given the above statement. DUCY?
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07-27-2011 , 10:22 AM
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I don't think you have studied any culture much - given the above statement. DUCY?
Those behaviors are manifestations of culture and Buddhaic elements are near or in all of those cultures.

And I wonder why atheists like to recommend religions they don't know the cultures of. What they are doing without realizing it is advising Christian theists to commit spiritual adultery when they make these statements.

All in the name of, "what's that buzz word?", tolerance, of course.
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07-27-2011 , 10:26 AM
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I have had atheists in the past recommend and imply Buddhism is better than Christianity to me but I don't think they've studied Buddhist culture. Women were required to walk 2 steps behind the men in Japan until very recently and they still practice selective abortion against girl children all over Asia today. It doesn't seem like Buddhism did anything for women's rights.
http://www.youtube.com/user/askegg#p/u/1/NqN9Oan3YnU
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07-27-2011 , 11:50 AM
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Those behaviors are manifestations of culture and Buddhaic elements are near or in all of those cultures.
Riddle me this - how many people are in China? In India? In Japan? Lets just go with the whole population of Asia. Then contemplate the estimated number of practicing Buddhists - worldwide.

DUCY now?

Edit: BTW, if you are a practicing Christian - tolerance isn't just a buzz word. In fact, I would argue that tolerance in the sense that you and I have discussed earlier is a cornerstone of being a good human being.
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07-27-2011 , 03:38 PM
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Riddle me this - how many people are in China? In India? In Japan? Lets just go with the whole population of Asia. Then contemplate the estimated number of practicing Buddhists - worldwide.

DUCY now?

Edit: BTW, if you are a practicing Christian - tolerance isn't just a buzz word. In fact, I would argue that tolerance in the sense that you and I have discussed earlier is a cornerstone of being a good human being.
intellectualy consistancy is not her strongpoint. If you look at threads where people point out sexist instructions in the Bible you will find Splenda defending men and women being treated differently as proscribed in the Bible. While in this thread she will point to similar gender inequalities in Buddhism and point out that they are bad.

If its in the Bible, its defendable and good. Take the same behaviour into another culture and its bad.

While this is fun to see her defend sexism and slavery... its a little irritating how all that goes out the window when applied to other religions/cultures.

Oh and... she will look up something on a subject... harp on one detail (quite often completely misrepresenting it) and then accuse everyone else of not doing their research.
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07-27-2011 , 04:26 PM
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intellectualy consistancy is not her strongpoint. If you look at threads where people point out sexist instructions in the Bible you will find Splenda defending men and women being treated differently as proscribed in the Bible. While in this thread she will point to similar gender inequalities in Buddhism and point out that they are bad.

If its in the Bible, its defendable and good. Take the same behaviour into another culture and its bad.

While this is fun to see her defend sexism and slavery... its a little irritating how all that goes out the window when applied to other religions/cultures.

Oh and... she will look up something on a subject... harp on one detail (quite often completely misrepresenting it) and then accuse everyone else of not doing their research.
LOL...^^ From the biggest misogynist on the board.
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07-27-2011 , 04:49 PM
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LOL...^^ From the biggest misogynist on the board.
You are so strange...
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07-27-2011 , 04:50 PM
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A Baptist's opinion?

You need to look up complementarianism. There's more than one theological opinion on this.
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