There is a man named Bob. Experience has taught him to align himself with the reality of his world. He tracks facts, patterns, rules, evidence because in the past when he was ignorant of reality, he got hurt. Some pain was so traumatic that he has made the act of properly situating himself within reality his highest truth. His beliefs about himself including his capabilities and willpower are dependent on this highest truth, dependent on the reality of his world.

Over time, Bob gets teased multiple times about being overweight. After the last time, he decides something has to change and he has a desire to lose some weight. He begins a program but is unable to stick with it due to a lack of willpower. He does not question this failure because there is no higher truth for him than to align himself with reality, and his failure is real.

In a parallel universe, there is another version of Bob in the same situation - deeply aligned with the reality of his world but wanting to lose the weight. This Bob defies what he believes to be true about himself and defies what his reality tells him is true and loses the weight, which proves that Bob #1 was actually capable too. Once the weight is lost, Bob #2 re-aligns himself with his new reality.

Bob #1 never violates the reality of his failure. Bob #2 violates reality through defiance and dis-identification. Which Bob is more aligned with ultimate reality? Does your answer change if Bob #2 used mythology to assist him in defying and dis-identifying with failure?

Anyone? None of you anti-subjectivists care to defend your version of objective reality that you are so confident in?

Bob #2 did more than bob#1 .
So no change in reality .

U get stronger and better results as more effort are going into it , shrug
So what’s your point ?

The whole thing seems nonsensical to me, but it mostly depends on the part I bolded. What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Neither Bob knew believed anything to be true about himself (regarding weight loss) until he tried to lose the weight. Neither of them defied anything by trying to lose weight. What exactly did Bob #2 do differently? Losing weight requires a change in behavior, not (just) a change in thoughts.

When Bob fails his program due to a lack of willpower, reality is telling Bob that he will never lose the weight because he is incapable. This reality is undeniable to Bob after his failure. In other words, it is objective. He doesn’t want it to be true since he desires to lose the weight, but it is true. It is the objective reality of the world that both Bobs align themselves with.

The question being posed: Are you sure there is only one objective reality and/or that the objective reality of the world is the ultimate reality?

If we are singular, then there can be only one objective reality, but if we exist as multiple selves, then there can be multiple objective realities. The reality of the world dictates to each human individual that they are singular, but I can test against that using an example such as the weight loss one in the OP.

Bob #2 cannot violate objective reality if it is the one and only objective reality. Since it was violated, then that means it is not the only objective reality. To propose that the reality where Bob #2 fails and the reality where he succeeds is one reality is to be dishonest unless the claim is the one reality contains multiple realities.

Aligning yourself with the reality of the world using the criteria of facts, evidence, history, and direct experience is a necessary but elementary version of truth. It’s an important aspect of childhood development. For an adult to stay married and solely devoted to this version of truth? That’s another type of stunted development.

You should read about the many world interpretation (WMI) .

This is your brain on religion, trying to twist magic into reality.

Behavior is downstream from identity. To lose weight, you identify with the self who embodies the desired weight and dis-identify with the status-quo-self (SQS). To dis-identify with the SQS, you have to dis-identify with its truth and reality, which is the truth of history, the known, the visible, the evident, the rational, etc. You have to become — at least partially and/or temporarily — untethered to the reality of this world.

If you do this, you succeed 100% of the time. Most advice is given by people who see themselves as singular.. at least they do at the time they give their loser advice.

Anyone who believes they are singular and that reality is singular doesn’t truly understand the idea of transformation. The same applies to anyone who shackles themselves to the truths of this world - evidence, history, rationality, direct experience, proof, certainty, etc.

Maybe it works for you. Let me know when your identity becomes that of a person who can fly like a bird and I'll believe whatever you say. I've always wanted to be able to do that much more than lose weight.

I know enough to not completely lose touch with the reality of this world even when dis-identifying with it.

In the reality of this world, some people cannot lose weight, even if they barely eat anything. The human body is weird that way.

They would rather focus at the level of behavior and fail than engage identity and succeed. It’s much more convenient to fail and rationalize. Transformation is inconvenient.

I'm talking about human biology. Some people are just as likely to be physically able to lose weight as they are to fly like a bird. Nothing to do with rationalization.

But it does seem to me that you are rationalizing when you say you can transform in one way but not another. Why shouldn't you be able to fly? Miracles happen, right?

If you want to identify as someone who can fly and you truly dis-identify, holding yourself to it, then you will transform. Just don’t lose complete touch with the reality of the world.

We both know you’re not actually interested in transformation though. The people who are most averse to transformation are always the loudest about declaring what isn’t possible.

I would definitely be interested in transforming into someone who can fly. I certainly don't believe it is possible though, nor do I think it is possible to change any other material facts through thought alone.

In order to truly engage identity, meaning to persist in it across time, you have to go deeper into desire. As you go deeper into desire, you become connected to what you actually desire.

You may think now that flying is a prime desire for you, but all unique and peculiar desires converge as you go deeper into yourself.

I definitely know flying is my greatest desire, I have had dreams about it since I was a little boy.

Nah ... although there is certainly some efficacy to envisioning ... we lose weight by paying attention to the facts of reality of calories in and calories out. I lost 60 pounds that way and kept it off. Never once did I envision myself being thin and in fact was shocked when someone at the poker game said "Jeez you've lost 50 pounds." Then I stood on a scale for the first time since the change of habits and indeed it was exactly 50 pounds to that point. No magic, no faking reality, but a coldblooded implementation of reality that brought the change. Koresh1122 is talking fantasy, as usual, and trying to co-opt a power of intention into a metaphysics that trumps reality. Same as the religion.

This is commonly known yet the vast majority who desire to lose weight still fail. That means there is more going on.

Yes, they have a hard time cutting back on calories and keeping to an exercise program, despite their knowledge.

And they have a hard time due to what I described in the OP. Their desire to lose weight conflicts with their structures of truth, reality, and self. Even when they are unconscious of those belief structures.

I disagree. Most people don't even have a "structure of truth", etc. Do you think everyone who can't lose weight is a philosopher?

You seem to mistakenly believe that what is happening in conscious awareness is all that is happening.

No, I know I sometimes even eat unconsciously. But I don't think the things you are talking about have anything to do with someone's ability to lose weight.

We are both standing on an island surrounded by darkness. I point in a certain direction and tell you I’ve been out there, there is a solution out there, and this is what you will find out there. You have beliefs about whether or not the unknown darkness I’m pointing to is relevant to the problem at hand.

This is the situation. There is nothing more to say.