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12-06-2011 , 07:05 PM
http://www.project-reason.org/bibleContra_big.pdf

I've often seen theists on this forum offer atheists the chance to present biblibal contradictions for them to debunk. I'm happy to oblige.
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12-06-2011 , 07:26 PM
Perhaps you could select some you'd like to talk about. Not going to generate much useful discussion with a generic link. Guarantee there are explanations (though not necessarily compelling ones) for all of them by apologists.
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12-06-2011 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CompleteDegen
Guarantee there are explanations (though not necessarily compelling ones) for all of them by apologists.
It's not hard to make up unfalsifiable bull**** responses. So I'm not surprised that apologists can excuse every contradiction out there with their nonsense.... Somehow they don't use the same ****ty standard when it comes to the excuses other religions give but it's normal... make up bull**** answers for your religion but treat every other religion out there with skepticism and claim that their responses are not valid....
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12-07-2011 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by CompleteDegen
Perhaps you could select some you'd like to talk about. Not going to generate much useful discussion with a generic link. <snip>
Agreed.
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12-07-2011 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dasq1306
http://www.project-reason.org/bibleContra_big.pdf

I've often seen theists on this forum offer atheists the chance to present biblibal contradictions for them to debunk. I'm happy to oblige.
Nice link. I don't think any theist would be up for the challenge presented here. Project Reason FTW.
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12-07-2011 , 02:12 AM
12-07-2011 , 03:54 AM
They'll just say all the contradictions they can't explain are translation errors. But all of the verses they enjoy have been translated perfectly.
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12-07-2011 , 06:15 AM
I think you're making a fundamental mistake OP. You've put the cart before the horse.

We have to be reconciled to God before we can even use our minds spiritually.

People are suppose to decide on who they think Jesus is first. Not decide on contradictions. I can always find the flaws in the supposed contradictions because through the spirit I actively align my mind with God and He shows me the truth.

1 Cor. 2

10God's Spirit has shown you everything. His Spirit finds out everything, even what is deep in the mind of God. 11You are the only one who knows what is in your own mind, and God's Spirit is the only one who knows what is in God's mind. 12But God has given us his Spirit. That's why we don't think the same way that the people of this world think. That's also why we can recognize the blessings that God has given us.

13Every word we speak was taught to us by God's Spirit, not by human wisdom. And this same Spirit helps us teach spiritual things to spiritual people. [b] 14That's why only someone who has God's Spirit can understand spiritual blessings. Anyone who doesn't have God's Spirit thinks these blessings are foolish. 15People who are guided by the Spirit can make all kinds of judgments, but they cannot be judged by others. 16The Scriptures ask, "Has anyone ever known

the thoughts of the Lord

or given him advice?"

But we understand what Christ is thinking.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...02&version=CEV
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12-07-2011 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I think you're making a fundamental mistake OP. You've put the cart before the horse.

We have to be reconciled to God before we can even use our minds spiritually.

People are suppose to decide on who they think Jesus is first. Not decide on contradictions. I can always find the flaws in the supposed contradictions because through the spirit I actively align my mind with God and He shows me the truth.

1 Cor. 2

10God's Spirit has shown you everything. His Spirit finds out everything, even what is deep in the mind of God. 11You are the only one who knows what is in your own mind, and God's Spirit is the only one who knows what is in God's mind. 12But God has given us his Spirit. That's why we don't think the same way that the people of this world think. That's also why we can recognize the blessings that God has given us.

13Every word we speak was taught to us by God's Spirit, not by human wisdom. And this same Spirit helps us teach spiritual things to spiritual people. [b] 14That's why only someone who has God's Spirit can understand spiritual blessings. Anyone who doesn't have God's Spirit thinks these blessings are foolish. 15People who are guided by the Spirit can make all kinds of judgments, but they cannot be judged by others. 16The Scriptures ask, "Has anyone ever known

the thoughts of the Lord

or given him advice?"

But we understand what Christ is thinking.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...02&version=CEV
I have trouble trying to understand this. Are you actually claiming that you are willing to put your faith ahead of reason and keep it despite clearly seeing logical contradictions?
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12-07-2011 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I think you're making a fundamental mistake OP. You've put the cart before the horse.

We have to be reconciled to God before we can even use our minds spiritually.

People are suppose to decide on who they think Jesus is first. Not decide on contradictions. I can always find the flaws in the supposed contradictions because through the spirit I actively align my mind with God and He shows me the truth.

1 Cor. 2

10God's Spirit has shown you everything. His Spirit finds out everything, even what is deep in the mind of God. 11You are the only one who knows what is in your own mind, and God's Spirit is the only one who knows what is in God's mind. 12But God has given us his Spirit. That's why we don't think the same way that the people of this world think. That's also why we can recognize the blessings that God has given us.

13Every word we speak was taught to us by God's Spirit, not by human wisdom. And this same Spirit helps us teach spiritual things to spiritual people. [b] 14That's why only someone who has God's Spirit can understand spiritual blessings. Anyone who doesn't have God's Spirit thinks these blessings are foolish. 15People who are guided by the Spirit can make all kinds of judgments, but they cannot be judged by others. 16The Scriptures ask, "Has anyone ever known

the thoughts of the Lord

or given him advice?"

But we understand what Christ is thinking.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...02&version=CEV
I cannot believe God would ever want us to abandon rationality or critical thinking given he blessed us with them and they are incredibly useful tools. A true Biblical contradiction is certainly something to consider and would cast doubt on its veracity. God doesn't make mistakes.
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12-07-2011 , 12:13 PM
For those interested in studying the contradictictions from both sides , there are also sites that refute them. For example:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...ntralinks.html
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12-08-2011 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rilu
I have trouble trying to understand this. Are you actually claiming that you are willing to put your faith ahead of reason and keep it despite clearly seeing logical contradictions?
There aren't any contradictions.

People are misled when they think they can spot contradictions.

It's best to decide in your own mind who you think Jesus Christ is first like Peter and other apostles did in the NT.

I've searched several "contradictions" and they always resolve as not being contradictions. You could consider them as public misinterpretations on people's part from either a lack of information or approaching things from the wrong perspective.

I don't just put my faith ahead of reason. I put my faith in God's reason ahead of my own reason. I'm fallible. He's not.

Last post itt for me. Thanks for the question but I've stayed in the forum too long and it's time to take what God has taught me in the last 7 years some place else. Good luck and God bless.
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12-08-2011 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
There aren't any contradictions. .
Silly you, even biblical scholars know that there are plenty of contradictions...
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12-08-2011 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
Silly you, even biblical scholars know that there are plenty of contradictions...
Could you please name a few scholars and include citations? Not doubting you, but would like to see more than just your standard generic response.
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12-08-2011 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Online Veteran
Could you please name a few scholars and include citations? Not doubting you, but would like to see more than just your standard generic response.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...y_of_the_Bible

Bart Ehrman is probably the most known out there who pointed out plenty of contradictions in his books...
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