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If you are going to change my post, at least do me the courtesy of not posting it as a quote. Somewhere down the line it may not be apparent that my words were different.

Hmmm, I was under the impression that was rather standard. Apologies.

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I would consider that racism, but not racial phobia.

We're using homophobia rather colloquially to mean something other than fear or contempt of homosexuals. I'm unsure if there is an analogous word (to racism) when referring to similar situations towards homosexuals.

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Oh.

I guess I was not aware that the word had a meaning different from fear or contempt of homosexuals. Perhaps that is why I felt that the entire discussion seemed overly confrontational.

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07-25-2012 , 05:43 PM

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Hmmm, I was under the impression that was rather standard. Apologies.

No problem. I guess I would be more confortable if you just put it as a generic quote, rather than with a

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I try to be careful with my posts and changing the words sometimes leaves a legacy that makes me uncomfortable.

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07-25-2012 , 05:56 PM

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I was thinking it was used as fear of homosexuals - I mean why call same sex marriage something other than what it is - marriage - if there wasn't some underlying fear of being in the same class.

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The range of emotions people feel towards homosexuals are more than just fear, just as they are for feelings towards people of different races. However the words we have are "homophobia" not "homoism" and "racism" not "raciphobia". I don't know why. But I use the two in exactly the same way only with reference to the different groups.

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I was thinking it was used as fear of homosexuals - I mean why call same sex marriage something other than what it is - marriage - if there wasn't some underlying fear of being in the same class.

I mean, it can be used, even in this instance, as fear toward homosexuals. This however doesn't describe the most common feelings of those that oppose same sex marriage. Usually homophobia as it's used colloquially is rooted in some sense of marriage exclusivity, or moral high ground, or the super scientific "it's icky".

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Since praying mantis' eat their spouse after intercourse, should cannapheliacs be allowed to get married?

(this is how we feel when approached with the FSM bit, though I think mine is more valid)

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Since praying mantis' eat their spouse after intercourse, should cannapheliacs be allowed to get married?

(this is how we feel when approached with the FSM bit, though I think mine is more valid)

I'll respond as soon as I know what a 'cannapheliac' is.

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I'll respond as soon as I know what a 'cannapheliac' is.

C'mon, you know where I was going with that. Someone who eats their mate after mating. (I guess we'll have to assume these guys wait 'till marriage, or they'd like to)

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Since praying mantis' eat their spouse after intercourse, should cannapheliacs be allowed to get married?

(this is how we feel when approached with the FSM bit, though I think mine is more valid)

I have no idea what that is, but if you are trying to draw some sort of slippery slope between two humans loving each other and insects...that is so ridiculous i don't quite know what to say

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I think the "two humans loving each other" needs to be explored and expounded upon.

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C'mon, you know where I was going with that. Someone who eats their mate after mating. (I guess we'll have to assume these guys wait 'till marriage, or they'd like to)

Okay. If two people want to get married with the agreement that after marriage (and copulation) one of them will be cannibalized, then yes, they should still be allowed to get married.

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Meh, I don't know where I'm going with this. Carry on.

For me, the laws are already set in stone. Only issue left is explaining how "it's" bad. Which is always a little ....touchy.

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I think the "two humans loving each other" needs to be explored and expounded upon.

No it really doesn't. If you are wanting to discriminate against people on the basis of sex or skin colour or whatever else, it is up to YOU to give a pretty damned impressive justification for why this discrimination is not just disgusting religiously motivated bigotry

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Meh, I don't know where I'm going with this. Carry on.

For me, the laws are already set in stone. Only issue left is explaining how "it's" bad. Which is always a little ....touchy.

Set in stone, where, exactly? Interracial marriage, for instance, wasn't fully legalized until 1967.

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For me, the laws are already set in stone. .

THey are not set in stone as around the world countries have ended their discrimination against LGBT people. It will happen in the US in time. WE just need the apologist to shut up and get out of the way so the discrimination can end.

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I think it would be helpful if I gave the justification, but not necessary. The bible appears to be asking for people to sack up and just do it. (execute the commands)

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When I say "set in stone", I mean I think the Torah is the law, and Deut 4:2 states legislation is illegal essentially.

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If it would be helpful, then give your justification?

Don't just waffle arround in support of this disgusting discrimination pretending like you have a justification but not saying it.

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As a slight detour, I'm assuming you would speak similarly with regard to polygamy laws?

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07-25-2012 , 07:15 PM

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If it would be helpful, then give your justification?

Don't just waffle arround in support of this disgusting discrimination pretending like you have a justification but not saying it.

Well....it's a pretty difficult subject. I mean I have to worry about 2 + 2 's legislation, and unlike other "shortcomings", it's painful to explore. (or imagine myself in that scenario) (yea, I can't do it)

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How is it remotely difficult or painful to acknowledge that discrimination is wrong? Is it painful to say that preventing marriage between blacks and whites is wrong?

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As a slight detour, I'm assuming you would speak similarly with regard to polygamy laws?

Yes, polygamy should be legal for much the same reason and most of the reasons people oppose polygamy are stupid.

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How is it remotely difficult or painful to acknowledge that discrimination is wrong? Is it painful to say that preventing marriage between blacks and whites is wrong?

The bible says that marriages between blacks and whites is wrong. One guy and his wife got speared for trying it.

Ha, I have to get out of this. I mean...we're right at the heart of conflict between secular humanism and "the way", but we're on a secular humanist site with corresponding assumptions and rules.

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The bible says that marriages between blacks and whites is wrong. One guy and his wife got speared for trying it.

Then the Bible is ******ed (not exactly breaking news).

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Ha, I have to get out of this. I mean...we're right at the heart of conflict between secular humanism and "the way", but we're on a secular humanist site with corresponding assumptions and rules.

No we're not.

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