They don't teach anything on this in school. You become aware of it when you seriously investigate the topic.

But I think your investigation is more one sided than mine is.

God didn't leave all this to human subjectivity since human subjectivity isn't infallible.

That's why He gave us the Word.

And I don't believe it's possible to be free from worldly conditioning without God's help. People are raised in families and society. We're never totally free of outside people and events trying to influence us but we can seek to have God protect us and correct us from all the people out there who are ignorantly trying to steer us.

Humans don't live in a vacuum. Every time I turn on the tv these days there's somebody running an Obama or Romney ad trying to steer my opinion and vote.

Freedom from conditioning is the myth.

Seek the right conditioning from the best teacher.

You were trying to offend? Really? Jeez, who would of thunk it. Perhaps ulyou should think about what I wrote a bit more. I don't think you understood why I wrote what I did.

In all honesty, I think you have a shifting sands problem - your language shifts. It's difficult to describe the Tao I guess. You need to hone in on your language a bit, very esoteric when it does not need to be.

All in all a good exercise though. Thank you.

Yes but the investigator is corrupt before he starts the investigation

I don't believe in the investigation.

I agree we must remove ALL subjectivey. Even our own beliefs on Jesus's beliefs. And our preachers...I must not follow Jiddu's belief.

You are presupposing us.

I agree we are never totally free in the way you see it...but there is a way.

Yes this is the way the corrupt world works.

It is not a myth, its just everyone you've every talked to thinks it is.

Who can teach you 'no conditioning'. "I don't believe in Schools"

Just not interested in Bruce Lee's ideas.

You keep approaching people like they haven't got any validation for their beliefs.

That's a very mistaken assumption.

Christian history is littered with millions of works by various geniuses and all kinds of scholastic disciplines explaining why people put their trust in Jesus Christ.

The weight of that literature vs. Bruce Lee.

I think you better do your own search and read a large sampling of the literature on this from various disciplines before you take Bruce Lee at his word.

There aren't any 'ideas' and the aren't Lees

No beliefs have any validation, this is why the old testament is based on ideas written from 'God'


We have no genius who can tell us who all the genius's are without pre supposing the first 'genius'....Can we define intelligence?

It's weightless, all literature is.

Bruce explained he doesn't have a word. 'Accept no 'authority', certainly not his. Disciplines are what is incorrect.

@ no beliefs have any validation. They are the framework for how we experience our reality. It makes a person who they are far beyond just in a spiritual sense. It's what makes us unique or us or whatever u wanna call.

Its what makes junkies and presidents, makes a person rich or poor, makes a person what they are. Now we are waking up to the fact that our beliefs actually run us just like a set of programmed commands on a computer, hell science is aware of the fact that we run autonomous for like 80%+ of what we do daily. With this new knowledge there are new techniques coming about that help train the mind to have new belief systems too about anything and everything.

I think it might be time for most people to change their beliefs about what they believe.


@ op, there are none cuz a debate is just an argument. That **** is like torture.

Yes but its 'belief' that say we need to have an 'us'. Perhaps there should be no beliefs and therefore no 'us' to believe'

What about the technique of training the mind to have and of belief systems and end to training.


How about this for a belief? Universal Truth

Everyone itt already snap decided that debating has a point and just started arguing.

There is no debate here God is real, he is all around us even at this very moment. He is the one that holds the earth in his hands.

The muslim god right?!

There is no muslim god, nor is there a christian god just God.

The off-topic discussion was really entertaining to read

I would like to clarify after reading most of this thread about the debate being a good thing.

I'm not really convinced that debate is a good thing when it comes to religion or not religion but I do believe debate is beneficial for other things.

Anyway I don't see the benefit in trying to change anyone's mind in being religious or not and I'm pretty sure that most people are trapped in this and will not really understand what I'm getting at. I think it's one of those things you have to think about for a long time and is hard to discuss.

Anyway I thank all of you for posting your thoughts

Great. Care to demonstrate this?

Where? I don't see him. Why is it a 'he' anyway?

I just checked the NASA website and there is no mention of giant hands anywhere near the earth. Oh, wait... Are you speaking metaphorically?