Romans 10:9 KJV

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

This is what it takes to be saved. If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, i.e. talk about him (not to put it exactly - with all humbleness), and believe that God raised him from the dead (in your heart), thou shalt be saved. To put it into other words if you are doing such a thing and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. But all you really need to do is to believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.

You are just repeating the tenets of one of the many, many religions designed by humankind. You don't fully realize that is what you are doing. You think you are talking about how reality is, how the world is ... but you are talking about how one of the religions is. To make a valid argument, you have to come outside the Bible and talk about reality. Otherwise, you are still just reciting a religion. You dig?

Reality is things like if you step in front of a moving bus you will get injured, if you look at the weather forecast and then go outside and check the weather, you have a claim (the weather report) compared to the reality of the weather, if you draw to gut shot straights at even money continuously hoping to win, there is a demonstration of actuality that will inform you about the efficacy of the belief.

That's different than talking about a thousands year old book of claims and supernatural claims made by a highly superstitious culture, reciting those claims as a belief ... and then completely forgetting that the claims are just a religion and instead just presuming them to be reality.

You dig?? No, you don't dig. The believer responds with, "It says in the Bible, the book of blah, blah, blah ..." Forgetting again that this is the book of claims about a magic/supernatural religion, and just presuming that as baseline reality. When it's nothing of the kind. People are hung up right there. They don't grok the difference between a religion and reality, that is, they don't get the difference between indoctrination and free thought.

I don't really know how to converse this with you and I didn't really read your posts, but if you're interested in salvation I just laid it out for you. Complete security from death and hell and the lake of fire, though you still must respect other things in the Holy Bible, with respect to sin such as it is a thing to contend with, though prayer can help with this. All the best.

Also if you are having trouble with this you can ask for the spirit of holiness from God.

It is also important to believe that he is the Christ so that you can be adopted as a child of God.

KJV - Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Maybe ask for the spirit to help you understand his posts.

Once, a long time ago, I regretably dabbled in the Occult. I was just about to type 'only' Tarot but of course this is a grievous sin in the eyes of the Lord and I have long since repented of it. My online pastor though was in it up to his neck and it nearly killed him. He had to beg Jesus to save his life from spirits that were trying to kill him. Spiritual forces are very real my friend, and sometimes I worry I don't have faith in so much as I KNOW it's real. Of course I'm not suggesting you FAFO just to prove this, far from it.

If you are serious, let's hear the details of how the spirits were acting against the pastor. Sounds like a great opportunity to convince people.

I have a book on Tarot at the formatter. I was surprised to find the subject interesting and useful. The Tarot is about archetypes (not spirits and the supernatural), and archetypes are representative of patterns and trends within the nature of human consciousness (not about supernatural entities). Again, no magic or supernatural needed.

I like the old school meaning of "occult" ... as in "hidden." Not so much the hijacked crap about werewolves and demons and the like.

Do you believe that in 100% of cases of this happening that the person always gets injured? God determines whether they get injured or not.

Also there's probably been a case where a poker player gets all in with 100% chance of winning the money in the pot then the cops or thieves come in and take his money.

God determines all outcomes. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.

Trust in God for the future. Psalm 91 for protection. It's basically a promise of long life. Astrology numerology tarot is all about not going to the word of God the scriptures which we are commanded to search of how to live your life but making a horoscope writer or tarot reader a god. Those people don't really know anyways and astrology has been proven to be junk pseudo science failing the tests. God can't be tested most of the time and maybe only in the tithe he can be tested as the word says. Tithe is suppose to be food btw not money and its more than 10% closer to 25% and some of it goes towards the poor not going to a pastor who believes Christians should be rich finanically from tithing and since the pastor supposedly tithes he is rich but he just collects tithes and offerings and buys himself a nice big private jet. He's suppose to be rich as well cause the word says some people will says godliness is gain meaning being rich finanically but the Bible says to get away from these people.

The Lord makes people poor and makes people rich financially.

I see. Now prove, verify, or support at all that god has ever determined even a single outcome.

"Well I can't do that. You know, it's a religious belief."

And so you see, he can't support even to 1% probability that god ever produced a single outcome on anything. And he won't even try. Yet he insists that god produces all outcomes ... which is just pure, pure religious dogma operating in one's mind in place of respect for what actually is.

I am very serious and the pastor I mentioned has, besides regularly preaching on youtube, put his personal testimony up also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g153R3ZbesU

You are already being decieved. The 'power' of the Tarot does not come from you or 'archetypes', it comes from outside spirits and they will always eventually ask you to renounce Jesus. That alone should tell you all you need to know. I have no wish to talk about darkness any longer so will leave this thread at that. I will pray you come to your senses

And so at the exact moment when yet another believer is challenged to produce a scintilla of anything but blind belief, to produce any evidence at all, they run away. Because they have nothing, just presume themselves to be in the holy club like all the other religions do. Funny that. Pathetic that.

He ran because it dawned on him right then, "I have absolutely nothing here except, 'this is the religion I'm in.'" Just lol at the dishonesty of how such religious belief is preserved.

I think he went away to avoid any further distressing conversation.