Belief in God hinges on the reality and morality of hell.

At the end of the day, with a God who hides, the only good way to ascertain if he would be real or not is by his morality. This assumes that having a sense of morality is good and not having it is not and that a God would be good.

The pivotal question for God’s existence is;---- would a good God create a place like hell?

The definition of hell here is the one of eternal fire and torture with no chance of reprieve.
IOW. The traditional hell

To help me determine if there was a real Bible God or not, I asked and answered a few simple question for myself.

1. Is it morals and good justice for a soul to be able to sin for a finite time and then have to suffer torture for infinity?

2. Is it good morals and justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs?

Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.

3. Is it good morals and justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?

4. Is it good morals and justice to keep a soul alive in hell instead of killing it for mercies sake?

I answered no to all of the above and determined that there is no way in hell that a hell would be a moral construct and that a good God would not create such a place. If hell exists then Bible God cannot if he is a good God.

If you answered no, as I did, then the existence of Bible God also gives a no answer.

If you answered yes to any of the above then let us examine your reasons for thinking that God would create this, to you, moral construct called hell.

Please justify your yes and show what I am to give a rebuttal to and let us try to reason together. This is mostly impossible from what I have seen and experienced but having kept this O P fairly simple, I am hopping that we can.


Regards
DL


PS. The next post is to give you a glimpse of what others think of some of these issues and to stimulate thought. There is quite a bit of it and it is there for reference only.

On hell.

Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZM3FXlLMug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE_TW...eature=related


Is God good?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaL7C...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9FKn...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpJ8...eature=related


Satan’s history.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat2.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat1.htm#menu

http://abcnews.go.com/nightline/faceoff -----About ½ way down the page.




O T, N T, Jesus and hell.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TurpisHa.../2/k88ntaUXP2c


What the Bible says.

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

By any definition, sendind souls to hell is overcoming evil with evil and hell in this sense is not Biblical.

Regards
DL

Hey buddy, just stating your opinions doesn't do much. You should back them up with links and ****.

According to your definition of good, apparently not.

According to the traditional Christian definition of good, yes.

According to God's definition of good, i.e. the one found in the actual Bible, no, since He did not create the traditional hell, men did. The "hell" (bad translation of Gehenna, city dump of Jerusalem) we read about in scripture is the exclusive residence of the dead, so no one is experiencing pain there.

Im never going to Jerusalem so i dont have to go to hell (grave/city dump of Jerusalem) which means just as i thought i will never die.

Holy, I've said it before, I'll say it AGAIN.

Hell isn't an ACTUAL place, it is a figure of speech. Example would be to say that it is HELL to have to live on this planet with 6 billion humanzees.

Same goes for heaven, JUST a figure of speech. OBVIOUSLY the ACTUAL places don't exist. This isn't rocket science.

Actually, people go to the city dump of Jerusalem (i.e. the graveyard, "hell" etc) after they die.

Not me. If i die im not going to allow my body to go there because then i will avoid hell and the graveyard.

Let us hope then that the majority of believers read your words and believe them.

Regards
DL

No argument friend but let me show you this.
It speaks to how you speak. Definitive un-provable statements I try to stay away from.
Those, to me, are faith based statements and I would not want you or I to be accused of making them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyA8cIzosFU

Regards
DL

Let's hope they read my words and then check it out for themselves.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.