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12-07-2011 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
I hope I can discuss this (in this forum) without opening myself up to infractions-

I don't think the issue is that she's insulting. I think the issue is that she doesn't appear exactly sane. He responses are often only vaguely related to what she's responding to. She rarely can follow a conversation. In fact, her appearance in nearly any thread means the topic is derailed. I genuinely think she (to be non scientific) is a little crazy. And having her in conversations is like a bunch of people trying to discuss something while being inclusive of some random street crazy person who has decided to insert themselves into a conversation.

On top of that most of her posts are largely filled with wrong information. Half of the threads she's largely consist of people explaining why most of the stuff she posted/linked to is wrong. (and I don't mean wrong like "there is no God" I mean basically facts that are easily corroborated)

For a sample of the "splendour effect" you can see that she recently posted in the politics forum (where people are largely unfamiliar with her) where half the thread is people trying to figure out if the person is a troll or not.

For what its worth, I'm saying this because I support a banning policy in general. I don't like the idea in general of censorship of ideas... that being said, there is a difference between supporting the inclusion of people whose ideas are different then yours and supporting the inclusion of people who very well seem to have some cognitive problems that they cannot reasonably discuss ideas (as it is, she often refuses to discuss things she posts which has lead to a chorus of people telling her to get a blog since she wants to post her thoughts and not have to endure responses from others. Furthermore, I don't think she CAN discuss ideas because she not only suffers issues with reading comprehension but she seems to constantly go on tangents with nearly every thread making it impossible to get anywhere.)
+1

After posting on 2+2 for four years Splendour was the first user I had to put on the ignore list.
12-07-2011 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dknightx
Being an annoying, stubborn troll is not ban worthy.
It should be.
12-07-2011 , 07:00 PM
I don't think she should be banned, if she bothers you to the point that you feel compelled to create a thread, just block her instead. If everyone who is bothered by her blocks her, easy game right? Ultimately it's your own self control that determines if you post or react to what anyone says..

I also don't think it's nice to joke about people's mental health, but I am no saint.

Regards,
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12-07-2011 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
+1

After posting on 2+2 for four years Splendour was the first user I had to put on the ignore list.
But isn't that enough? If everyone who wants her banned ignored her and didn't respond to newcomers debating with her, wouldn't the problem go away?

I think it would be very poor policy to ban someone on the grounds that they "cannot reasonably discuss ideas". The RGT forum was intended to be very broad - it was created to put anything related to god, religion or philosophy. I was one of the few against the split, but given the decision was made - posts are no more out of place than big erf's or greatest I am's, in my view.
12-07-2011 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
Splendour, I'd like to say you shouldn't be banned, but you should get a RGT medal of honesty and courage. You know you're doing something right when a poster that is mentally 15 years old is petitioning for you to get banned in RGT.
"Mentally 15 years old". By what criteria do you gauge this exactly? For all you know, OP could A. more successful than you, B. more educated than you, C. much older than you or D. All of the above?

As for Splendour, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think she may have some rather serious emotional issues (not intellectual issues as most seem to think) and that religious belief, and a general belief in something 'greater than her' or something 'metaphysical/non-scientific' somehow allows her to deal with these issues/makes her feel important for possessing knowledge that others may not. The majority of emotional issues tend to stem from a low self-esteem, and possessing knowledge that others may not, makes her feel important and different, fulfilling the function of elevating her self-esteem. Unfortunately the only kind of knowledge that may differentiate her from everyone else (and that falls within her general life experience) is 'metaphysical/religious/conspiracy theory' type knowledge.

I may be completely wrong here, but just my general observations. I don't think she should be banned though, as I think she's beginning to make more of an effort when it comes to posting relevant information.
12-07-2011 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
"Mentally 15 years old". By what criteria do you gauge this exactly? For all you know, OP could A. more successful than you, B. more educated than you, C. much older than you or D. All of the above?

As for Splendour, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think she may have some rather serious emotional issues (not intellectual issues as most seem to think) and that religious belief, and a general belief in something 'greater than her' or something 'metaphysical/non-scientific' somehow allows her to deal with these issues/makes her feel important for possessing knowledge that others may not. The majority of emotional issues tend to stem from a low self-esteem, and possessing knowledge that others may not, makes her feel important and different, fulfilling the function of elevating her self-esteem. Unfortunately the only kind of knowledge that may differentiate her from everyone else (and that falls within her general life experience) is 'metaphysical/religious/conspiracy theory' type knowledge.

I may be completely wrong here, but just my general observations. I don't think she should be banned though, as I think she's beginning to make more of an effort when it comes to posting relevant information.
Success, education, age, is a measurement of mental maturity?
12-07-2011 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
Splendour, I'd like to say you shouldn't be banned, but you should get a RGT medal of honesty and courage. You know you're doing something right when a poster that is mentally 15 years old is petitioning for you to get banned in RGT.
You should be #2 on the ban list...
12-07-2011 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
Success, education, age, is a measurement of mental maturity?
Thanks for answering my question with another question. By what criteria did you gauge OP to be mentally 15 years old?

Success, education and age can certainly correlate with mental maturity - at least from my own observations. Do you think that these variables don't correlate with mental maturity?
12-07-2011 , 07:30 PM
Why do people keep stating that she has done nothing ban-worthy?

She has:

-Posted a link to NAMBLA.com and quoted from an article on that site
-Made anti-Semitic comments and posted links to anti-Semitic sites
-Posted links from a white supremacist site

Any one of these things would be enough to get someone banned from just about any forum on 2+2.
12-07-2011 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopey
Why do people keep stating that she has done nothing ban-worthy?

She has:

-Posted a link to NAMBLA.com and quoted from an article on that site
-Made anti-Semitic comments and posted links to anti-Semitic sites
-Posted links from a white supremacist site

Any one of these things would be enough to get someone banned from just about any forum on 2+2.
If anyone was offended though, I'm sure they would've filed a complaint, no?
12-07-2011 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
Thanks for answering my question with another question. By what criteria did you gauge OP to be mentally 15 years old?

Success, education and age can certainly correlate with mental maturity - at least from my own observations. Do you think that these variables don't correlate with mental maturity?
The fact that op made a post in all caps with the format of "ban _____", proves that op responds to things in an inappropriate or inconsiderate manner.

Also, correlation and causation are not the same.
12-07-2011 , 07:38 PM
If she is banned (and I don't think she should be), Kurto could close the cannon and publish the works of her quotes. It's gotta be around 500 pages already.
12-07-2011 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
The fact that op made a post in all caps with the format of "ban _____", proves that op responds to things in an inappropriate or inconsiderate manner.
You made an equally inappropriate and immature post about not wanting Christians to partake in this forum any more, where you blatantly insulted a lot of the people here. Does this also mean that you're mentally 15 years old? Or can you see that subjective criteria like this can lend itself to all sorts of bias?
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
Also, correlation and causation are not the same.
Congrats on successfuly dodging the question.
12-07-2011 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopey
Why do people keep stating that she has done nothing ban-worthy?

She has:

-Posted a link to NAMBLA.com and quoted from an article on that site
-Made anti-Semitic comments and posted links to anti-Semitic sites
-Posted links from a white supremacist site

Any one of these things would be enough to get someone banned from just about any forum on 2+2.
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
If anyone was offended though, I'm sure they would've filed a complaint, no?
More than one person complained. The links were taken down. However, rather than feigning ignorance about the nature of the links and/or apologizing, she screamed censorship.
12-07-2011 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopey
More than one person complained. The links were taken down. However, rather than feigning ignorance about the nature of the links and/or apologizing, she screamed censorship.
From those complaints, what reasons did the mods have for not banning her?
12-07-2011 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
From those complaints, what reasons did the mods have for not banning her?
They never provided a reason. The only reason anyone knew that any action had been taken is due to Splendour posting diatribes in the random thread about her 'harsh' treatment.
12-07-2011 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
and Dumber
Not entirely dumb. You have succeeded in driving me further away from Christianity.
12-07-2011 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CompleteDegen
Not entirely dumb. You have succeeded in driving me further away from Christianity.
Yup, me too. I was a weak theist when I first started reading this forum. It wouldn't have taken much to bring me back into the fold. Instead I was pushed farther and farther away due to posters like Splendour.
12-07-2011 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hopey
Yup, me too. I was a weak theist when I first started reading this forum. It wouldn't have taken much to bring me back into the fold. Instead I was pushed farther and farther away due to posters like Splendour.
That makes me sad, I'm sorry.
12-07-2011 , 08:55 PM
I call BS. One person pushed you from your beliefs? If it wasn't her it would be someone else, right?

People aren't the reason we believe what we believe, reasons are the reason we believe what we believe..
12-07-2011 , 08:57 PM
Meh, I sort of owe her a debt of gratitude. I was feeling a great deal of unease and guilt about losing my faith. Posters like Splendour and NotReady helped me realize that I was right to turn my back on my former religion.
12-07-2011 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by checkm8
I call BS. One person pushed you from your beliefs? If it wasn't her it would be someone else, right?

People aren't the reason we believe what we believe, reasons are the reason we believe what we believe..
She was a part of it. I never said she was the only reason.

But the persuasive arguments from many atheists in this forum and the intellectual dishonesty from the theists definitely played a big part. I was spending a lot of time reading 2+2 back then. This forum definitely helped shape my thinking.
12-07-2011 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by checkm8
I call BS. One person pushed you from your beliefs? If it wasn't her it would be someone else, right?

People aren't the reason we believe what we believe, reasons are the reason we believe what we believe..
Just like parents aren't the reason for what religion we are. Only 90% of people inherit their religion from their parents.
12-07-2011 , 09:52 PM
For those of you saying she doesn't insult: Kurto, didnt she once call you a mysoginst with absolutely no proof whatsoever? I was surprised nothing (seemingly) came of that.
12-07-2011 , 11:04 PM
This thread is not appropriate here. If someone has a problem with a poster they can either pm myself or OrP or post a thread in ATF.

As another aside, splendour gets temp banned and infracted anytime she merits it.
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