Atheists revenge. Persecution of theists.

This was written in response to a theist crying about non theists attacking theists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_QXp...ayer_embedded#!

Do you want a free ride to abuse whomever you like?
Is reciprocity not fair play?
Is fighting brain washing with brainwashing not fair?

To suggest that non theist should not fight what is demonstrably evil is to ask good men to do nothing while evil is allowed to grow.

Religions have persecuted the non religious and now bitch when thinking people show that faith without facts is for fools and that theists theologies do not hold water.

Faith is defined as a firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.
Martin Luther

What is more valuable?
A belief that has nothing to back it up or a belief based on reason, logic and proofs?

As to non believers persecuting someone with belief, this does not happen from what I can see. Ridicule, yes. Humor, yes. Logic and reason, yes. Anger when illogical answers are given, yes.

I see this from the POV of a religionist in the non believer camp because I cannot abide by what other religionists are doing. Bottom line. Persecution is demonstrably a religious tool. Not a non believers tool.

Non theist engage theists, not for any negative reasons, but only from what most non believers see as their duty to their fellow man against divisive tribal forces, led by absentee Gods with demonstrably poor morals.

Do believers really believe that non believers let evils like you see below grow?

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9...eature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBv8tv62yGM

Promoting death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Z...eature=related

Not if atheists and non believers of all stripes maintain their social conscious and duty to their fellow man. That same social conscience that is lacking in far to many black theist hearts. Non theists are the ones fighting for the protection of children’s minds, fighting the denial of equality for women and fighting to end theist persecution of Gays.

If you as a theist do not recognize what non believers and those of faith who come against you do so for benevolent purposes, then your dogmas, indoctrination and brainwashing has blinded you the same way you want to blind your children. This is from one who is not an atheist but one of your own who has rejected your views for a more sane and moral one.

You are calling good evil and evil good as you embrace your genocidal son murdering God who, with his pocket full of miracles, could have taken the moral high ground instead of usurping Satan’s role as the most evil entity known to man.

Theist and religions are going down for the count. Sane and moral people are onto you so you may as well get used to crying and complaining and bitching because your days are numbered.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

God said that the high would be brought low and the low high.
Religion has been flying high, drunk with the power of their tyrannical Gods and putting fear of a non existent God in in the hearts of sane men to quiet them. There are finally enough sane people around who will not stand by and let your evil grow and you will be put down soon just as you deserve.

Beware persecution for sure theists. Take heart though. The hearts of those you have persecuted for so long are not near as blood thirsty or black as yours. Those against you do not have tyrannical leaders. They follow men of integrity. A word that you can never apply to your pedophile protecting proctors.

You can thank non believing men and atheist for this and not your pathetic immoral Gods.

This from this religionist who is sickened by his own fellow religionists who have rejected logic and reason for the faith of fools and belief in fantasy, miracles and magic.

Regards
DL

OK, this is getting sick.

We didn't persecute non-believers, previous generations of people did.

You have to also ask yourself - would a logical and reasoning atheist/agnostic find logic in persecuting those who have not persecuted us during our generation?

I argue that non-theists should not fight that which is "demonstrably evil" for that makes us no better than our forefathers who persecuted non-believers for being "demonstrably evil".

We should debate, argue and present evidence, but we should not fight. For fighting against people in the current generation -for the deeds committed by previous generations - is not guided by logic, but rather by emotion.

Atheists are still jailed and killed in some places today.

So are religious people.

Are they being jailed and killed only for being atheist, and no other reason/s?

No doubt. We both agree thats wrong.

But since you want to use the bellow. Are they being killed only for being religious by the non religious?

You dont really have to answer that.
No its usually for apostasy. But i would hope you would agree that is unacceptable.

They are however discriminated against through various laws only for being atheists.

You may not have noticed but those clips showed what is happening today.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

I see that you want to do just that.

Regards
DL

for that matter, theists have stated in polls that they put atheists below muslims. They don't think they should be allowed to hold public office. etc.

But I admit, in the US, at least where I've lived, its not that bad. There are certainly parts of the world I wouldn't want people to know I was an atheist.

No its not bad where i live either. Not that i think thats true of the entire US or all people in the US. Like you said above atheists are still the most hated distrusted group in America. We are still considered unamerican and traitors by some. There are still laws, whether unconstitutional or not, on the books in some states saying we cant run for office. I mean Thomas Jefferson could not get elected as president today. Thats messed up.

Now do i think atheists should become the persecutors and fight with violence. No. But what western atheists do think or say that.

Just to reiterate from the O P.

As to non believers persecuting someone with belief, this does not happen from what I can see. Ridicule, yes. Humor, yes. Logic and reason, yes. Anger when illogical answers are given, yes.

I see this from the POV of a religionist in the non believer camp because I cannot abide by what other religionists are doing. Bottom line. Persecution is demonstrably a religious tool. Not a non believers tool.

From what little of the U S I can see from here in Canada, seems like if a presidential candidate does not believe in God, he will not get elected there.

Your system forces politicians to be hypocrites. Not a good sign when a belief will get you elected and not the force of your political savvy.

Americans seem to be making a mockery of separation of church and state.

Regards
DL

The atheists have pretty much already won. U.S.=finished. Great Britian=done (very near future). The 144k will assemble at Gibraltar and then its "game on" (cue - let the bodies hit the floor).

To reverse the no atheist in foxholes thing a little. If Jesus doesn't come back by the end of your life will you lose your faith on your death bed?

There seems to be plenty of believers who think seperation of church and state isn't supposed to exist. They believe this is and should be a Christian nation. And, of course, when anything goes wrong its because we're not christian enough.

I don't really see my life (in this body) lasting much longer than 5 years, 10 tops. (or anyone elses really)

The body of Jesus will never come back. Jesus is/was the Arch Angel Michael (Daniel ch 12) and he already is back in the form of Elijah (Malachi ch 4). He was born in 1948 (http://jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm) and when he dies or decides to leave that body, he will take his Angelic form and set up shop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFfCKy0nKr0

Ha, we like to make it a fair fight. 144k vs 6-7billion is gonna be fun.

The U S is predominantly Christian.
This is reflected in your prison statistics. Quite high as compared to non Christian nations.

I guess the more preaching there is, the more people want to resist doing the Christian thing.

Religions are in the guilt producing business and I guess they are being effective because your people feel guilty so they decide to do things that will get them punished. A weird way for them to get justice for themselves.

You would think, with the cost of prisons that is helping to cripple your economy, that your governments would tell all the preachers to shut the f up.
Your incarceration rates would likely plummet.

Regards
DL

I don't think persecution is a sound answer to persecution, because if you think about it...all you're going to end up with is a bloody circle.

I agree and think that atheists have already risen above the poor example that religions have lived by.

Let me reiterate from the O P.

As to non believers persecuting someone with belief, this does not happen from what I can see. Ridicule, yes. Humor, yes. Logic and reason, yes. Anger when illogical answers are given, yes.

I see this from the POV of a religionist in the non believer camp because I cannot abide by what other religionists are doing. Bottom line. Persecution is demonstrably a religious tool. Not a non believers tool.

Regards
DL

I love how you are so sure that you are one of the 144k.

I dont see how you can keep linking the jahtruth site, when its terrible, and you must be able to see that it is.

Actually, if all ended today, I'd be worried. Everyone has to get in a 40 day fast (with water) first. I guess I'm just b.s.'ing around here until I grow my sack. (lets be honest, all were doing here is babbling and rarely anything interesting is said (on this forum))

Jah's site, on the other hand, is fascinating. As soon as I read it (the site is huge really, perhaps I havn't read everything), it bothered me, because I couldn't easily dismiss it, yet It was radical and ultimately- True.

I'd say over the course of 3 years, I finally came to the conclusion that this guy is legit, is who he says he is, and its unshakeable.

For the athiest, I think it would be impossible to accept any of it. I mean...If you've read the gospel of John, and nothing in your spirit stirs, your like rainman IMO.

For the Christian who says, John has a lot of awesome things to say, and I won't stop until I get there, well, Jah's site shows you how.