You can switch heritage?

You wrote this earlier:
So, are you talking about heritage or are you talking about current countries where a vast majority of the populace are christians?

Good response. It's just weird that Splendour doesn't get this.

There's no "Team Atheists" that we all adhere to.

I don't understand this schism between communist atheism and atheism that the New Atheists are willing to permit.

Human nature is always the culprit regardless of label.

You guys like to whank about how bad religion is....Try a totalitarian state that doesn't have a higher power to answer to some time...or a political climate that lacks anyone with the guts to go up against the state because they have no belief in something better...

IOW, you can't counter what's been said...

I did counter it.

The bible is right on human nature is the counter.

Its so right about human nature that the label is immaterial.

If atheists aren't as evil as theists then why didn't they fight Stalin? Why did they allow repression of theists to go on for decades?

Either they are evil or they lacked the motivating force to give them the balls to stand up to Stalin or maybe both.

Wow.

Really, Splendour? Would you have stood up to Stalin? Not everyone wants to be a martyr, especially the ones who don't believe in an afterlife.

I don't understand the schism you are having with the historical record and reason. : )

You must know that totalitarian states are often religionist. People claim to be ordained by some invisible man in the sky that only talks to them. This is the basis of all of the repugnant acts from popes, kings, and even televangelist. You say that christians are just too faithful to be taken, then when someone mentions that the Soviet Union dominated several christian nations you just say, "well they switched then so it doesn't count". That seems amazingly disingenuous. Christians have done plenty of repressing and being repressed, surely you MUST know this.
What are you saying that is a claim in the bible about human nature specifically that is so accurate?

It is easy for you to say that you would not accept totalitarianism when you are not threatened by it. The Soviets were a thermonuclear super-power with secret police that monitored peoples every move. Spies were everywhere so you never knew if you were talking to someone to spread the good news with...and they might then turn you in and not only do the KGB kill you but they also kill your relatives too. It is all well and nice to be a zealot and say "I don't care if they kill me", but if you see your child, grandchild, nephew, or niece picked up by their ankles and slammed face first into the tailgate of a truck...it is an extremely effective weapon of terror not only for you but for everyone that hears about it. The KGB was absolutely capable of that level of brutality and everyone knew it.
To say that you or "real christians" are just too tough to cave to that kind of terrorist domination is just silly. Some did rebel, and they are in unmarked graves all over Russia and other countries now, as you would have been if you truly had the courage of your conviction which is certainly in question unless you have truly faced a similar scenario.

Not trying to give you the third degree (ducwidt?) but it is only causing you harm to think this way.

why didnt the theists in Russia fight Stalin?

The state change from a theist state to a atheist state, but this didnt make the theists in Russia atheist did it?

Seems pretty evil to allow the repression of theists to go on for decades.

Either the theists are evil or they lacked the motivating force to give them the balls to stand up to Stalin or maybe both.

Splendour, you're ******ed.

Love, SixT-4.

Umm. Seriously. She's been on this forum for years under multiple IDs. She's read and participated in countless threads about atheism. If she doesn't get by now what atheism means (and what it isn't), then clearly she's never going to.

Its not as if she hasn't been corrected at least a dozen times by now.

ah yes, forgot about good ol pacopaco lol (or whatever the name was)

Pretty simple imo. Power. Despite claiming to be good Commies and that everyone is equal, the high ranking wallahs in China like their power and control, and want to hang on to it thank you very much. The Dalai Lama, as a figurehead, has the potential to unite Tibet against them and threaten their power and control, at least in Tibet.


That both sides are atheist is an irrelevant coincidence.

I don't understand how this pertains to the fact that atheists dont identify themselves as all one clan. They all share the belief that theists are mistaken on one issue, it doesnt therefore follow that every atheist is 'allied' with every other atheist.
I wasn't talking about communism, I was talking about atheism. However if atheist communists kill more than atheist anarchists 'on average', it is evidence that communism is more violent than atheism. You can't discern much from comparing communist atheists with democratic christians.
Yes - they disagreed about whether God exists. How is this relevant to atheist buddists and atheist non-buddhists? They also disagree on 'the point of buddhism/non-buddhism'.

Are you familliar with the South Vietnamese Buddhist Crisis that was a result of a strongly roman catholic government oppressing Buddhists?

How about repressive actions against Buddhism in South Korea by christians?

Or South Korean President Chun Doo-hwan ordering his military to torture Buddhist Monks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_...sm#South_Korea

Maybe we need to look at something more modern if that doesn't work. I mean after all the crisis in Tibet is current.

So, lets look at current president of South Korea Lee Myung-bak

Splendour's going to be mad. This thread is supposed to be about atheists fighting over doctrinal differences in their lack of belief.

Well, she decided to take another two week vacation, thus letting the foxes into the hen house!

Did she. Well i'll have to take over than.

Please keep all posts on the topic of atheists fighting over their doctrines.

Well, I don't believe in Yaweh, but I know this atheist who doesn't believe in Brahma. For some reason that makes me want to hit him. Is that wrong?

VMAT 2 GENE!

I can't see how that can be wrong since atheists have no moral rights and wrongs.

Dahmer was an atheist, were the people he killed also atheists?

THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW

See, if it weren't for people giving silly labels to others, we wouldn't have this thread.

Ignore the idea of people being "atheists" Splendour. In reality, people aren't anything other than people. I am not an atheist. I'm simply a person.

I just happen to not believe in gods.

I'm sure you can see why everyone who lacks belief in gods doesn't just band together.