atheist morality - Page 6 - Religion, God, and Theology

OK, there seems to be some confusion on what Christians believe. The Old Covenant was laid out in the Old Testament. From a Christian perspective, this was the instruction for how God wanted the chosen people (the Jews) to live. When Jesus died on the cross, the Old Covenant became secondary to the New Covenant, the teachings of Jesus. So Christians don't eat kosher, even though it says to do so in Leviticus.

But the things that occurred in the Old Testament still happened. Genesis doesn't explain the Old Covenant, it explains how the earth was created.

So, that's why Christians believe in the truth of the Old Testament but don't follow some of its teachings. The New Covenant superseded the Old Covenant.

this is actually one of the best explanations i ever heard

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01-26-2009 , 04:32 AM

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I can't see why Christians should have a problem with someone cherrypicking rules from either OT or NT at a whim. If debates in the popular media regarding various political debates are to be used as an example then that seems to be what Christianity is about.

Turn the other cheek / an eye for an eye, god loves everyone / god hates <insert OT deviant group of choice> and the rule about "thou shallt not kill" even though it is universal to both OT and NT seem to be so inconvenient that it is frequently bypassed.

Sure not all christians do this and the common answer around here is that people who do arent' even christians. The conondrum being that these supposedly un-christian christians would say the same about their more liberal counterparts.

This is why for me debating christians views has come to be completely uninteresting. Christian views can be anything, so the bible should be the focus of the debate.

And for what it's worth OT and NT seem to be so afar apart in theme, I personally think you need an extremely lenient eye to even think the god described in them could be the same character.

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01-26-2009 , 01:23 PM

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this is actually one of the best explanations i ever heard

I fistpumped.

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Originally Posted by tame_deuces

[B]This is why for me debating christians views has come to be completely uninteresting. Christian views can be anything, so the bible should be the focus of the debate.

Part of the problem is that the Bible was originally written in ancient Hebrew. Even translating the document into English is a type of interpretation of it. From another thread, there's different ways to translate the word for "day," so that it may mean "a large amount of time." This heavily affects the literal meaning of the Genesis creation myth.

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01-26-2009 , 06:23 PM

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10 Morals Atheism Gives Me

10. I don’t believe that I have an eternal, joy-filled life waiting for me after I die, so I appreciate the value and sanctity of this one.

how very, very sad for you

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01-26-2009 , 06:33 PM

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10 Morals Atheism Gives Me

1. I don’t have a religious justification to hate gay people, so I don’t hate gay people.

2. I don’t have a religious justification to believe that women are inherently inferior to men, so I don’t believe women are inferior to men.

3. I don’t have a religious justification to not see a doctor when I’m sick, so I see a doctor when I’m sick.

4. I don’t have a religious justification to hate someone for having the “wrong” religion, so I don’t hate people because they follow a certain religion.

5. I don’t have a religious justification to deprive my children of truthful, frank sex education and the knowledge of safe and effective birth control use; so when I have a teenage daughter, she will be less likely to have sex too young, get pregnant, or get an STD.

6. I don’t have a religious justification to hate someone for being a member of the “wrong” race, so I am not a racist.

7. I don’t have a religious justification to support certain wars due to a belief that it will fulfill some sort of ancient prophecy, so I oppose needless death and destruction.

8. I don’t have a religious justification to strap a bomb to my chest and blow myself up in a crowded market, so I don’t strap a bomb to my chest and blow myself up in a crowded market.

9. I don’t have a religious justification to not care about climate change because “God would never let it get that bad before the end comes.”

10. I don’t believe that I have an eternal, joy-filled life waiting for me after I die, so I appreciate the value and sanctity of this one.

Any others you can think of?

11)OP doesnt have a religous justification for discrimiating against people who sexually moleste little children
12)OP doesnt have a religous justification for for discriminating against people who have sex with animals.
13)OP doesnt have a religous justification for not caring about climate change because HE IS GOD!
14)OP doesnt have a religous justification for anything because that would mean there was something out there more clever than him

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01-26-2009 , 06:34 PM

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My friend thinks that atheists have no reason to be good people since they don't fear going to hell. I had a hell of a time convincing him otherwise (largely unsuccessful however).

YOU MEAN, ATHEIST REALLY DO HAVE A FEAR OF GOING TO HELL?

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01-26-2009 , 06:36 PM

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Butcho22 I gotta hand it to you. I normally don't think picture usage is so good, but even if this wasn't so incredibly _funny_ it was nonetheless an excellent retort. A+

lol. I skipped over his post when I saw the picture. Usually they are just stupid. Then when I read your post I got curious as to what the picture was a response to. Then I burst out laughing.

Good show Butcho22

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01-26-2009 , 06:44 PM

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Assume X, Y, and Z are morally commendable actions.

1) A Christian does X, Y, and Z on his own merit and firmly believes that he will be rewarded after death for these actions.

you obviously know nothing about christianity, christian faith is actually the opposite of what your saying.a christian believes his heavenly reward is in the hands of another.

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01-26-2009 , 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzz66

11)OP doesnt need a religous justification for discrimiating against people who sexually moleste little children
12)OP doesnt need a religous justification for for discriminating against people who have sex with animals.
13)OP DOESN'T BELIEVE HE IS GOD!
14)OP doesnt have a problem with the idea that some people are more clever than him

FYP. Half of it's perspective. The other half, I dunno - ITG syndrome? You seem very annoyed for no particular reason.

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01-26-2009 , 07:06 PM

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FYP. Half of it's perspective. The other half, I dunno - ITG syndrome?

it must be, im not atheist.

OP, please let us know when your recieving your 'HUMANITARIAN OF THE YEAR' award. i wish to share in your moment of greatness.

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01-26-2009 , 08:24 PM

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you obviously know nothing about christianity, christian faith is actually the opposite of what your saying.a christian believes his heavenly reward is in the hands of another.

Lemme guess...everything I know is about the wrong kind of Christianity?

You must be one of those "true" Christians I've heard about.

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01-26-2009 , 08:29 PM

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Lemme guess...everything I know is about the wrong kind of Christianity?

You must be one of those "true" Christians I've heard about.

no, just pointing out how silly your post was.theres only one ''KIND" of christianity,its people that different.

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01-26-2009 , 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzz66

it must be, im not atheist.

Do you think we have fangs or something? Forget it, likely a troll...

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01-26-2009 , 08:33 PM

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11)OP doesnt have a religous justification for discrimiating against people who sexually moleste little children

You're absolutely right. I don't. Which must mean I support child molesters, right?

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12)OP doesnt have a religous justification for for discriminating against people who have sex with animals.

No, I have a health reason to do so.

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13)OP doesnt have a religous justification for not caring about climate change because HE IS GOD!

Well, if I'm God then yes, I believe in myself. I guess I AM a theist, after all!

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14)OP doesnt have a religous justification for anything because that would mean there was something out there more clever than him

Unpossible.

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01-26-2009 , 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzz66

it must be, im not atheist.

OP, please let us know when your recieving your 'HUMANITARIAN OF THE YEAR' award. i wish to share in your moment of greatness.

well I did once save a little girl from drowning. I jumped off a ferry in Florida after she fell overboard.

How many people's lives have YOU saved, Jesus Boy? Nyaaaaaa.

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01-26-2009 , 08:37 PM

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Lemme guess...everything I know is about the wrong kind of Christianity?

You must be one of those "true" Christians I've heard about.

FINALLY!!!!!! I knew I would get through to you eventually. Now I can sleep well tonight, ty OH.

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01-26-2009 , 08:39 PM

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Lemme guess...everything I know is about the wrong kind of Christianity?

obviously everything you know about christianity isnt much, so maybe you should refrain from posting about something you know very little about.

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01-26-2009 , 08:40 PM

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Do you think we have fangs or something? Forget it, likely a troll...

no, but you guy's definatly foam at the mouth when arguing with believers

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01-26-2009 , 08:42 PM

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no, but you guy's definatly foam at the mouth when arguing with delusionals

fyp

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01-26-2009 , 08:42 PM

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well I did once save a little girl from drowning. I jumped off a ferry in Florida after she fell overboard.

How many people's lives have YOU saved, Jesus Boy? Nyaaaaaa.

LOL

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01-26-2009 , 08:46 PM

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You're absolutely right. I don't. Which must mean I support child molesters, right?

and because i believe in a god, i must hate homosexuals, lesbians, african americans,and, apparantly, doctors.

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01-26-2009 , 08:46 PM

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no, but you guy's definatly foam at the mouth when arguing with believers

Yeah, I'm just all worked up over here.

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01-26-2009 , 08:50 PM

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fyp

why would someone of your obvious intelligence and moral superiority waste your precious, valuable time arguing with delusionals?

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01-26-2009 , 09:06 PM

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first instaignore ever.

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01-26-2009 , 09:26 PM

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obviously everything you know about christianity isnt much, so maybe you should refrain from posting about something you know very little about.

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