i suppose, but most atheists (i think) dont need their life to have "ultimate" meaning...meaning in this life is enough...

haha, nice...

FYP

You're either not understanding or you are intentionally bending the meaning of the word "easier."

When we say "Life is easier for an atheist," we don't mean that it's easier because now there are no rules, so an atheist can do whatever he wants. Being an atheist does not make life a moral free-for-all.

Life is easier on an atheist because he is mentally free in a way that a religious person is not. An atheist's head isn't a mental minefield. An atheist can happily follow his logic without reservations because he doesn't have to worry if he is going to stumble upon some truth that conflicts with his irrational belief in God.

An atheist's life is mentally easier.

It baffles and intrigues me how someone can spout propaganda like this and think it's true.

Even atheists with a somewhat decent heart can't deny that if everyone lived like Christ there would be no problems in the world. Isn't that what you guys want? The fact that God would show Himself to the world is a bonus.

And you don't know it's not true. You just believe it not to be true. There is no proof that the Bible is wrong about anything. But people who turn back to God are shown proof that it is The Truth.

have you ever considered the idea that there might be none?

you keep saying this as if just by saying it you make it true. Do we really have to revisit that thread where you display gold medal winning mental gymnastics to try to prove that the Bible is right about an "empty stable"?

you ever heard of bertrand russell's teacup?

google it.

while you're at it try proving that i am not a reincarnation of buddy holly.

good luck.

Someone needs to ask Gunth what proof that the Bible is false would look like.

no need, just read this thread and youll see the kind of argument Gunth finds reasonable for defending the bible as 100% true:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...istian-752508/

That was not used to defend the Bible as 100% true. Try again.

um, how was it not? You claim that Proverbs 14:4 has not been proven to be false, yet when we show that it is, you, in your fear to admit that the bible is not 100% true, try to claim "That person or those ppl have intrest in the stable , therefore it is not empty"

i mean come on, dont be a ******.

There was still a case where it was true. And i can probably come up with a better example to why it is true.

sorry, but a literal reading of proverbs 14:4 is false. Why you so fanatically grasp onto the belief that it is true is a reflection of your delusion.

Who says it is all supposed to be taken literally? Are we supposed to actually eat the flesh of Jesus and drink His blood?

dont change the subject. please show me how Proverbs 14:4 is not false.

you miss this gunth?

yeah, real tough to be able to do anything you want and say "forgive me" and be straight.

Yes, it would be very difficult, likely impossible, without being able to consciously alter your state of mind through lack of sleep or drugs.

No, Christianity does not apply to that because God gives free will to atheists to stay clueless.

Mm, like John Wilmot. <3 The Libertine.

Wasn't there a famous atheist "thought leader" who converted to some form of theism in the later stages of his life recently? I can't find anything about it on Google, but I could swear I read about it not too long ago

Dammit, so that means I have no chance? I seriously had some hope that one day God would reach out to me and show me the light like he has for my religious brethren (or at least the ones who insist they have some experiential basis for their faith).

seriously gunth.

prove that i am not the reincarnation of buddy holly.

that answer is a complete cop out.

and google russells teapot.

yes there was. i can't remember who though.

his reasoning was something to do with his thoughts on the impossibility of the evolution of the human eye, without some intelligence behind it.

You are misinterpreting and reading into what i mean to suit your view of atheism.

I didn't try to disbelieve it was the opposite. When i started having doubts i did everything i could to get rid of them and i even "passed" for awhile so not to hurt others.

It hurt family and friends leaving the Church and was one of the harder things i have done. But hey they were kind Christians who didn't judge my hart and accepted me anyway so it wasn't as bad as i thought it was going to be. And it would of been much harder to keep "passing" lying to them and to myself.

Nah it would be harder if not imposable for me to force myself to accept your Gods immoral laws and see them as moral.

The whole law thing is kind of a joke anyway. I dont need to follow the law to be with God in the first place. I just need to do my best to follow the law, believe, accept Jesus and ask for forgiveness. Thats not hard, except for the belief part, its as easy as 123. On the other hand as an atheists i cant give my wrongs to Jesus and be forgiven. I have to live with them and ask the people i have wronged for forgiveness. This part of my life is actually harder as an atheists because i dont have my magic pill anymore.


What made my life easier to bare was that i no longer had to lie about my lack of belief. I no longer had to go against my morals. And i no longer had to live with the cognitive dissidence that goes along with the Christian God.