Yes but her husband has his role as well.

Right, I know. Do you think I'm not aware of this? Now tell me what the role of a husband is, and the role of a wife. That they are "equally important" roles is irrelevant with regards to claims of sexism, patriarchy, etc. Sexism isn't "go ahead and beat your wife," and the equality is not "don't beat your wife."

I am not going to rummage through the Bible and pull out all the roles of the man, and all the roles of the woman. I think you are more then capable of doing that.

Once again...can you provide a verse that supports inequality?

How about (from earlier):

1 Tim. 2:12-13 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

If anything the man is doing all the work regarding this and the woman is sitting back and learning. Teaching and learning seem pretty equal in importance to me.

Holy **** Gunth, have you even read the damn book?

Genesis 3:16: To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

But was this how God wanted it? Or was this a result of their sin?

I'm not terribly interested in what Gunth thinks** here because he clearly doesn't have a problem with the assigned gender roles--supports patriarchy, inequality, etc. I want to hear from Christians who do not support these.

** Because I know the answers.

Um, lol? It's how God wanted it. Note the part where he commands them to do this and that and makes it so that childbirth is painful. This is something that God does, quite specifically.

I don't support inequality. Should certain people not have different roles then other people? I guess you think that a busboy at a restaurant should also be cooking the food too. All i am trying to do is show how the roles are equally important.

Just because something is how it has to be, that doesn't mean that is how He wants it. He makes it clear that He wishes sinners repent and turn to Him. I am pretty sure He would of rather Adam and Eve not sinned also.

Teaching and learning are equal. Do also consider "having authority over" to be equal to "submitting to"?

A manorial lord had a duty to protect his serfs. The work of the serfs was plenty important: no one would eat without it! They worked the land. The lord ruled over them and protected them (when he wasn't beating them). Likewise, no one is saying that the man doesn't have any positive duties towards the woman in the bible. But that is not the same thing as saying they are equal.

Depends on what it is regarding. In this case, i find it equal.

Christ taught us that everyone are to be considered equal. We are all brothers and sisters. The reason for roles is because of sin, or to provide an easier way of doing things. Please show us where Christ taught it was okay to beat your slave. I can show you where He taught us to treat them fairly.

*shrug*

Well I think it's a pretty clear example of inequality to dictate that one class will have authority over another who must submit. What do you think inequality would look like?

Who is the head of the household? The husband or the wife?

Seems to me it would have been a much better idea to command people not to own slaves in the first place. But god works in mysterious ways, I guess.

To me inequality is when one is being unfairly treated over another.

When a wife becomes pregnant, is her husband not to be submissive to that fact? While she basically carries the load. These rules and roles He has given us are to keep everything equal and stable.

How can someone be "submissive" to his wife being pregnant? Do you even know what the word means?

You are to follow the law of the land unless it contradicts a law of God. Most countries forbid slavery by law. I can't find a law of God that contradicts this law, can you?

He is to respect the fact that she is going through that. There are certain things that need to be changed because of this, such as if they both like to drink, he has to be submissive to the fact that she can't while she is pregnant.

You are just proving our point. "Don't beat your slave" isn't good enough. Neither is "don't beat your wife," as I keep saying. But you don't care about these codified inequalities because they come from God, which is why I'm not interested in your opinion. I want to hear from a Christian who rejects patriarchy. You do not. I already know what YOU think.

So you are saying there is no law of god that forbids slavery. I wonder why that is?

As opposed to what? Forcing alcohol down her throat?

Which means anything god says is equal since he, by definition, can't be being unfair.

What if a man wants to be submissive to his wife and the woman wishes to be the head of the household? Isn't it unfair to say they can't do it that way?

The bible says the woman should submit to her husband - where does it say the man is bt submissive to the fact his wife is pregnant? (I don't even understand what that means).

To me submission is about accepting someone else's authority over your free will - doing what they say rather than what you freely determine. What do you think submission means? (And to repeat my earlier question - what would you consider to be a case of mandated inequality?)