Well culture has acclimatized people to think dogmatism is only a religious element.

It's not. Dogmatism is an element of personality.

So atheists don't escape being dogmatic any more than theists.

I'd like to study if skepticism has an element of dogmatism to it. I suspect it does but locating a study would be hard to find then again there is probably a split between skeptics: true open minded skeptics in one group with dogmatic skeptics in the other. Both are merely going by the label skeptic but there is an underlying difference in the group that is hard to spot and you will most likely never be able to spot it in this type of medium/setting.

Nobody thinks there are no atheists who are dogmatic but way to knockout that strawman.

You make very good points, and this is what I try to get at with the example of my secular education.

I found something as I was reading on another topic:

A related theme: Evolution as Religion:

I have, in another thread, defended the existence of the term, "atheistic evolutionist" and its depiction of a specific worldview to which I believe most atheists on this forum would relate very closely.

Modern biology has nothing to say on gods.

"Life after death" is incoherent.

Irreligiosophy

Melchy: your post would be better without the insult at the end. It detracts from your message. Make your case, but the insults add nothing and take away much from the discussion.

I was being facetious. Your above post, like this one, says nothing about whether atheism can properly be considered a religion. The only thing I could pick out of it that resembles an argument is "some atheists are zealots, therefore atheism is a religion". I don't agree with this and I thought I could get away with a facetious remark without pointing out that it wasn't to be taken literally.

As for that last paragraph about skeptics, again, not sure how you got there (can kind of trace out the intermediary steps but it has NOTHING to do with whether atheism can properly be considered a religion).

edit: I was being harsh, you make another argument that atheism is a religion because so many atheists pass out advice. I guess I just ignored that because if you can't see that it is ridiculous on the face of it, I don't think you're going to be convinced if I dig a little deeper.

oh! right on you must be the other listener!

wait, what a coincidence!

maybe gods did it?!?

Highly unlikely you can convince me otherwise. I've been trolled mercilessly by atheists for 3 and a half years and I agree with Jesus that you will know the tree by its fruit (actions).

I'm also starting to be hightly suspicious of intellectuals. Most of the major political trouble in recent times have been by rogue intellectuals like Marx. I'm not too fond of the notion of libertarians either because I don't think you can ever completely trust people all the time and that's why God split people up at the Tower of Babel. God cannot unite us until he redeems us. Communism to me looks like the devil tried to unite people before they were redeemed. Communism could work under God but it'll never work under atheism but intellectual dreamers like Ayers and Dohrn are silly enough to bomb people thinking they can bring about utopia.

Wow, just ****ing WOW. I can not believe that you are so disconnected from reality and can still function at all.

I know it sounds fantastic but there were miracles in the early 1900s telling Europe to help Russia before it went communist and Europe failed to help them

And why would I be disconnected from reality? Just because I disgree with you? Maybe I've just connected the historical jigsaw puzzle together better than you have.

Try reading the bible it has the box cover to the puzzle and you need the box to build the picture....

It sounds like fantasy.... not fantastic.

you are not disconnected from reality because you disagree with me, but because if you believe the **** you spout in here you are ****ing lunatic. My opinions are based in reality, reality is not based on my opinions or wishes...

I've read the bible, actually several iterations of it, and the koran, and the bhagavad gita, and the book of mormon and some of their historical documents (wow there) and lots of buddhist sutras and occult "standard" texts, and the mythology of dozens and dozens of dead ancient religions.

I would be very surprised if you have read your own religious text, front to back, cover to cover, one page at a time (as painful as it is), without some sort of apologetic study guide telling you how to "interpret" what you just read. I suggest that you do this too, study your religion, both its texts and history, and quit reading all that milk-toast pop-apologetics garbage that you are always linking to, and yes, I have read a bunch of those douches too...

Anyone theistic is basically an atheist anyway. Every theist dismisses 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe's Gods.

Yes, I have read the whole bible cover to cover.

If you had been in this forum longer the speed with which I locate scripture and make scriptural connections should have already proved it to you.

All that really proves is that you have access to Google.

As if you're qualified to judge with so few substantitive posts.

I have two eyes and a brain. That makes me qualified.

Totally wrong. What you dismiss if you discount a religion is their description of God and what He wants. That has nothing to do with dismissing God.

Na he's right--this thread pretty much sums up the point he's trying to make, namely, that you kinda fail at the whole thinking thing.

Atheism could be considered a religion and I wouldn't really care.

What I do find rather irritating is your long spiel where you lump lots of different beliefs into the "dastardly atheist religion" and act like these ideas are evil dogmatic things.

Waaah! Somebody laughed at my silly belief in supernatural things! Damned Atheist religion is being pushed on me!
Waaah! Somebody didn't like my intolerant and bigoted views on homosexuals. Damned Atheist religion is being pushed on me!

Etc.

Don't be silly imo.

Alopecia is a hairstyle IMO.

I think this sums it up best. Atheism is to religion, what non stamp collecting is to philately. You are engaged in not collecting stamps the same way you are engaged in not believing in god. What else is there to say?

unless spendour is just a level like pleth

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