Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Religion, God, and Theology Discussion of God, religion, faith, theology, and spirituality.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-16-2009, 01:55 AM   #26
justscott
old hand
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Way far.
Posts: 1,857
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Signs of the Times

When Jesus’ disciples asked Him about the signs that would be a precursor to His coming and the end of the age His response, recorded in Matthew 24, was:

o Wars and rumors of wars
o Nation will rise against nation. It is very interesting to note that the Greek word that is translated as nation is "ethnos" which deals with ethnic background and race. Most of the wars and conflicts in the 1980's and 1990's are wars among ethnic groups and tribes.
o Kingdom will rise against kingdom
o Famines
o Earthquakes are “like the early pangs of childbirth.”As the time grows nearer and nearer to His coming, the frequency and intensity of these five signs will increase.
o The followers of Jesus will be handed over to be persecuted and killed. This is happening with more frequency in the Moslem controlled nations in the Middle East, and in Africa where Black Moslems are enslaving Black Christians.
o Christians will be hated by all nations on account of His name. In many parts of the world, Christians are jailed and killed for their beliefs; in the United States those who are Christians are hated by the media and liberals, and are known by the code words "religious right."
o Many will fall away...that is, many who claimed to be Christians will recant their faith, and betray and hate Christians.
o Many false prophets will arise and deceive many.
o Due to excessive lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold.



Here is more crap for you. Even has bullet points for simplicity.
justscott is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 02:09 AM   #27
govman6767
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
govman6767's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Former rightfull king of politards
Posts: 7,549
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

I live in the desert only I shall survive when the flood comes
govman6767 is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 03:57 AM   #28
DUBBLEBUBBLE
banned
 
DUBBLEBUBBLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: My straw is in your milkshake
Posts: 972
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by James 2:14 View Post
those that remain will have an opportunity to repent and be saved. it is written that when rapture comes, the people remaining will know the truth that the New Covenant with Jesus is the truth and by not taking the mark of the beast and not following the antichrist, they will be redeemed and have their place with the father. its not the end of the world persay, but the end of the world as we know it.
Where is it written?

This is what's written. http://www.donina.org/rapture.html.
DUBBLEBUBBLE is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 06:30 AM   #29
JAD
centurion
 
JAD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 135
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by vilemerchant View Post
For those that don't know, some crazy ppl in America believe there is gonna be a rapture where all the true Christians get beamed up to heaven StarTrek-style,
And I suppose all Aussies are rational science fearing folk? I have high hopes for this forum and posts like this do seem to be a bit on the trollish side.
JAD is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 06:57 AM   #30
DUBBLEBUBBLE
banned
 
DUBBLEBUBBLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: My straw is in your milkshake
Posts: 972
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

As far as a rapture actually happening, I think it takes a leap of faith to pull such things from the bible. The bible never mentions a rapture. If that's really what was intended for you to understand, it would have come right out and said it. You wouldn't have to take parts of several different verses, weave them together to get to, "BEAM ME UP SCOTTY"
DUBBLEBUBBLE is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 07:06 AM   #31
leprous_hand
unclean
 
leprous_hand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: General Snus
Posts: 16,229
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoundGuy View Post
Do we have a self-proclaimed prophet on this board?

James, are you a prophet of God?
only real way to find out is to kill him right? not sure on the tradition here
leprous_hand is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 07:07 AM   #32
Janabis
old hand
 
Janabis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tdot
Posts: 1,735
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigErf View Post
Wouldn't the correct statement be: "A lack of faith is a frightening and dangerous prospect and has caused and will continue to cause much suffering for many people across the world."
Do you think the driving force behind terrorism in the world is a "lack" of faith? Do you think the problems in North Korea are a result of a "lack" of faith in their president (who has been dead for over ten years)? Do you think 9/11 happened because certain Muslims "lacked" faith in their God?
Janabis is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 07:47 AM   #33
devilset666
grinder
 
devilset666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: deep south
Posts: 658
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Wouldn't the correct statement be: "A lack of faith is a frightening and dangerous prospect and has caused and will continue to cause much suffering for many people across the world."[/QUOTE]

No. Faith in God/Gods has historically lead to murder, sectarianism, abuse and continues to yield these results in the present climate. Let me break it down into some examples for you:

The twin towers would be standing today and those who perished would be with their families if it wasn't for the faith of those men who carried out this disgusting act rationalised only by their faith.

My country Northern Ireland tore itself apart with two communities separated by differing sects of Christianity warring over this land.

Sectarian violence continues to tear Iraq apart again with two sects of the one Religion mindlessly slaughtering each other over differences in their faith in the bloodline of their prophet.

These are all modern events directly and undeniably linked to faith and I could continue to give examples of faith tearing the world/communities apart in the last decade until my fingers bled.

I'll leave you with a simple point and a nice quote to get your teeth into. There would be no suicide bombers without the faith that drives them.

"Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race."

Bertrand Russell
devilset666 is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 08:41 AM   #34
RoosterCAD
banned
 
RoosterCAD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Fold Fold Fold Fold Fold Fold Fold
Posts: 2,194
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
My country Northern Ireland tore itself apart with two communities separated by differing sects of Christianity warring over this land.
I thought they were fighting over a "United Ireland"
RoosterCAD is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 10:35 AM   #35
devilset666
grinder
 
devilset666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: deep south
Posts: 658
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoosterCAD View Post
I thought they were fighting over a "United Ireland"
Indeed this was the political element of the struggle which manifested itself directly through sectarian violence and segregation. As a direct result of you having access to the internet you have the opportunity to educate yourself to some degree on a subject before blindly posting responses. I advise you to do so in the future and if there is anything you are unclear on after a little research ask away.
devilset666 is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 11:22 AM   #36
vilemerchant
old hand
 
vilemerchant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Victoria, Australia.
Posts: 1,759
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAD View Post
And I suppose all Aussies are rational science fearing folk? I have high hopes for this forum and posts like this do seem to be a bit on the trollish side.
Sure, it was trollish, but I am actually interested in the subject and the thread has generated some decent discussion and we now have a dedicated rapture thread for future reference!

I'm sure there are some Australians who believe in teh raptures but from browsing raptureready.com it would have to be over 95% of people pedaling this crap are from the USA or Canada. It strikes me a bit strange that so many from a new country like the USA have suckered onto this interpretation of the bible whereas its basically unheard of in the old world (europe) and the even the holy land where all of these fairy tales were made up in the first place.

One more interesting point is the importance the rapture believers place on Israel, protecting Israel etc because apparently the Old Testament claims the jews to be god's chosen people. To me this isn't surprising at all, the old testament pretty much IS the jewish torah, it was written by jews, of COURSE they're God's chosen people. Why would you write anything else?

Last edited by vilemerchant; 01-16-2009 at 11:32 AM.
vilemerchant is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 09:07 PM   #37
BigErf
veteran
 
BigErf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 3,315
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigErf
Wouldn't the correct statement be: "A lack of faith is a frightening and dangerous prospect and has caused and will continue to cause much suffering for many people across the world."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Janabis View Post
Do you think the driving force behind terrorism in the world is a "lack" of faith? Do you think the problems in North Korea are a result of a "lack" of faith in their president (who has been dead for over ten years)? Do you think 9/11 happened because certain Muslims "lacked" faith in their God?
Quote:
Originally Posted by devilset666 View Post
No. Faith in God/Gods has historically lead to murder, sectarianism, abuse and continues to yield these results in the present climate. Let me break it down into some examples for you:

The twin towers would be standing today and those who perished would be with their families if it wasn't for the faith of those men who carried out this disgusting act rationalised only by their faith.

My country Northern Ireland tore itself apart with two communities separated by differing sects of Christianity warring over this land.

Sectarian violence continues to tear Iraq apart again with two sects of the one Religion mindlessly slaughtering each other over differences in their faith in the bloodline of their prophet.

These are all modern events directly and undeniably linked to faith and I could continue to give examples of faith tearing the world/communities apart in the last decade until my fingers bled.

I'll leave you with a simple point and a nice quote to get your teeth into. There would be no suicide bombers without the faith that drives them.

"Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race."

Bertrand Russell
An unwillingness to hold responsible the individuals who commit these acts themselves is the reason you can justify placing the blame upon God. But it is simply inconceivable that a life dedicated to following a Word that promotes Love and self worth would perceive these messages as commands to carry out destructive acts upon the very life that the Word cherishes. And anyone who does so is not following their Gods will, but their own.

I cannot speak for Islam but going off of a conversation between Jibninjas and ILOVEPOKER929 it does not sound as though a Muslims duty is to kill:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929 View Post
I've read a lot more of the bible than the Koran, but do read some passages of the Koran from time to time to keep up with my Muslim friend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibninjas View Post
Allah loves those that love him, and hates everyone else.

Yahweh loves everyone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929 View Post
My Muslim friend would say Allah loves everyone. The fact you both draw the same conclusions about your Gods reveals a lot about the human mind. I know exactly what Justin A means when he says he can never be sure that he's not deluding himself.
Now I can personally speak for Christianity and the message from God in the Bible is LOVE. His love for us. In fact, the Bible is Gods proof of His love for us. The Bible is the instruction booklet on how to live in peace for eternity. Anyone who portrays the Bible as a book of violence is gravely wrong and has a personal agenda in doing so.

And personal agenda is what drives extremists. These people are not religious but rather using religion as their excuse to fulfill the acts that consume their criminal minds.

Within all of the sects of Christianity the church has a financial worth in the trillions. Well enough money to solve some problems of humanity. But instead, we divide. It is human err that divides mankind, not Gods instructions to do so. Anyone that humbly reads the Bible will undoubtedly interpret passages in their own unique way and this is what makes the Bible so powerful. The Bible is meant to open the mind of the reader but I don’t think there’s a person alive that could convince me that the message of the Bible is to kill those who do not adhere to it. And I would be surprised if the Koran was different.

There are passages in the Bible that speak of Gods wrath in the Old Testament. The OT is the foundation of the Bible and this world. To understand the world God has intended for us, these are the accounts to which led to the opportunity God gives for our redemption. I’m not educated in the writing of the Koran but I imagine the books have some similarity. If these extremists who you say are living out Gods instructions were focused on finding the true message their book portrays, how do they come up with the idea that destruction is the path to salvation?

True religious believers study the Word and find meanings to interpretations. They form with others and dedicate their lives to transforming themselves into what God has intended for them. Anyone who commits himself or herself to this understanding WILL NOT receive a message from the Bible or Koran that supports murder. It’s just not possible.

Do you think Muslim terrorists right now are huddled up studying the Koran to find Allah’s instructions on how to destroy the world or do you think they are conforming over explosives material and educating themselves in the art of mass destruction? Think about it.

It’s plain ignorance to say that these people who commit such acts are so much more educated in their beliefs that they found the True message God wants us to see.
BigErf is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 09:31 PM   #38
devilset666
grinder
 
devilset666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: deep south
Posts: 658
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigErf View Post
An unwillingness to hold responsible the individuals who commit these acts themselves is the reason you can justify placing the blame upon God. But it is simply inconceivable that a life dedicated to following a Word that promotes Love and self worth would perceive these messages as commands to carry out destructive acts upon the very life that the Word cherishes. And anyone who does so is not following their Gods will, but their own.

I cannot speak for Islam but going off of a conversation between Jibninjas and ILOVEPOKER929 it does not sound as though a Muslims duty is to kill:







Now I can personally speak for Christianity and the message from God in the Bible is LOVE. His love for us. In fact, the Bible is Gods proof of His love for us. The Bible is the instruction booklet on how to live in peace for eternity. Anyone who portrays the Bible as a book of violence is gravely wrong and has a personal agenda in doing so.

And personal agenda is what drives extremists. These people are not religious but rather using religion as their excuse to fulfill the acts that consume their criminal minds.

Within all of the sects of Christianity the church has a financial worth in the trillions. Well enough money to solve some problems of humanity. But instead, we divide. It is human err that divides mankind, not Gods instructions to do so. Anyone that humbly reads the Bible will undoubtedly interpret passages in their own unique way and this is what makes the Bible so powerful. The Bible is meant to open the mind of the reader but I donít think thereís a person alive that could convince me that the message of the Bible is to kill those who do not adhere to it. And I would be surprised if the Koran was different.

There are passages in the Bible that speak of Gods wrath in the Old Testament. The OT is the foundation of the Bible and this world. To understand the world God has intended for us, these are the accounts to which led to the opportunity God gives for our redemption. Iím not educated in the writing of the Koran but I imagine the books have some similarity. If these extremists who you say are living out Gods instructions were focused on finding the true message their book portrays, how do they come up with the idea that destruction is the path to salvation?

True religious believers study the Word and find meanings to interpretations. They form with others and dedicate their lives to transforming themselves into what God has intended for them. Anyone who commits himself or herself to this understanding WILL NOT receive a message from the Bible or Koran that supports murder. Itís just not possible.

Do you think Muslim terrorists right now are huddled up studying the Koran to find Allahís instructions on how to destroy the world or do you think they are conforming over explosives material and educating themselves in the art of mass destruction? Think about it.

Itís plain ignorance to say that these people who commit such acts are so much more educated in their beliefs that they found the True message God wants us to see.
Can I just say there dear boy I'm afraid your completely ignorant of the Muslim faith and totally unaware of its teachings. The religion is a violent one preaching hatred and vengeance in contrast to its other teaching concerning love. Infidels (me, most other posters here) are subclass and inferior collection of people. Suicide bombers are indoctrinated[B]by their Koran[/B. They learn hateful passages where Jihad is promoted and described, and only through their FAITH are they convinced to commit evil acts..
devilset666 is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 09:56 PM   #39
BigErf
veteran
 
BigErf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 3,315
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by devilset666 View Post
Can I just say there dear boy I'm afraid your completely ignorant of the Muslim faith and totally unaware of its teachings. The religion is a violent one preaching hatred and vengeance in contrast to its other teaching concerning love. Infidels (me, most other posters here) are subclass and inferior collection of people. Suicide bombers are indoctrinated[B]by their Koran[/B. They learn hateful passages where Jihad is promoted and described, and only through their FAITH are they convinced to commit evil acts..
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that other attribute that God gave us. Common sense.
BigErf is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 10:07 PM   #40
BigErf
veteran
 
BigErf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 3,315
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by devilset666 View Post
Can I just say there dear boy I'm afraid your completely ignorant of the Muslim faith and totally unaware of its teachings.
Yes, I am unaware of it's teaching but have read a few posts that would contradict you:

Quote:
Originally Posted by 6-Max Baby View Post
I have read both books. Both books have the same core message. Do right, live to please God/Allah and you will go to heaven/paradise.

I have seen Muslim ministers speak where they had the Quran and the Bible on the podium.

To answer your main question. Yes, the God of the Bible and Allah of the Quran are the same. There is only one God, what he is called varies.
BigErf is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 10:07 PM   #41
Janabis
old hand
 
Janabis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tdot
Posts: 1,735
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigErf View Post
Anyone who commits himself or herself to this understanding WILL NOT receive a message from the Bible or Koran that supports murder. Itís just not possible.
This is painfully false, as has been demonstrated by many Muslims and Christians throughout history. How can you say suicide bombers are misinterpreting the word of God when they have in fact spent far more time studying their holy books than you have, and are far more religious and faithful to God than you are?
Janabis is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 10:17 PM   #42
BigErf
veteran
 
BigErf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 3,315
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janabis View Post
This is painfully false, as has been demonstrated by many Muslims and Christians throughout history. How can you say suicide bombers are misinterpreting the word of God when they have in fact spent far more time studying their holy books than you have, and are far more religious and faithful to God than you are?
One who seeks God is seeking good. One who seeks good doesn't misinterpret and turn killer.
BigErf is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 10:19 PM   #43
leprous_hand
unclean
 
leprous_hand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: General Snus
Posts: 16,229
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigErf View Post
One who seeks God is seeking good. One who seeks good doesn't misinterpret and turn killer.
i have that platitude on a coffee mug somewhere imo
leprous_hand is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 10:29 PM   #44
BigErf
veteran
 
BigErf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 3,315
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

The true pursuit of God is a personal one. If done on your own behalf, you will find Him and He will not tell you to kill. Those who are told what God’s intentions for them are, are under the authority of the one directing, not God. Do you see the images of children in the Middle East with AK47’s praising Allah and vowing to kill the infidels? Do you think they read in the Koran that Allah told them to believe this, while searching for the Truth at 12 years old?

Last edited by BigErf; 01-16-2009 at 10:34 PM.
BigErf is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 10:41 PM   #45
Janabis
old hand
 
Janabis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tdot
Posts: 1,735
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigErf View Post
The true pursuit of God is a personal one. If done on your own behalf, you will find Him and He will not tell you to kill. Those who are told what Godís intentions for them are, are under the authority of the one directing, not God. Do you see the images of children in the Middle East with AK47ís praising Allah and vowing to kill the infidels? Do you think they read in the Koran that Allah told them to believe this, while searching for the Truth at 12 years old?
I agree that the world would be a much better place if children were protected against religious indoctrination of all kinds. Unfortunately, we have American children being sent to church and labelled Christians from the day they're born, and the same thing happening with Muslims in the Middle East.
Janabis is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 11:08 PM   #46
BigErf
veteran
 
BigErf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 3,315
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janabis View Post
This is painfully false, as has been demonstrated by many Muslims and Christians throughout history. How can you say suicide bombers are misinterpreting the word of God when they have in fact spent far more time studying their holy books than you have, and are far more religious and faithful to God than you are?
Part of studying is gathering information from reliable sources and using your own judgement (common sense) to interpret what it is in question. If I was thinking of committing an act of atrocity I would at least google it to see what others think. In less then a minute I found:
Quote:
Kill the Infidels, Surah 9:5
This article is about the oft-quoted, or rather misquoted, Surah 9:5 verse of the Quran, which is claimed to call upon "all" Muslims to kill "all" non-Muslims or the so-called "Infidels". Muslims are often questioned, "Did not Muhammad call on all Muslims to kill the infidels?" The answer is absolutely not! Then, we are asked another question: "Why then does the Quran say, "fight and slay the pagans (or infidels or unbelievers) wherever you find them?" (9:5).
There are two interrelated answers to that question. The first is historical. The second is related to the nature of the Quran itself.

HISTORY:
When the Islamic state was rapidly expanding in the seventh and eighth century, many people came under the direct governance of Muslims. These peoples belonged to different religions, races, ethnicities, etc. If the hypothesis that "Muslims are required to eradicate non-Muslims or "infidels" was correct, then a pattern of deliberate extermination, forced conversions, and/or expulsion would have been observed throughout the history of Islam, especially when Muslims were powerful and winning over their opponents. That systematic pattern is simply absent.

THE QURAN:
(1) The Quran is not classified subject-wise. Verses on various topics appear in dispersed places in the Quran and no order can be ascertained from the sequence of its text. The first verses revealed in the Quran was in chapter (surah) 96.

(2) The structure of the Quran makes it necessary to approach it using the dialectic "both and" methodology of reasoning. This means that to investigate a certain issue, the verses pertaining to the issue should be gathered together.

(3)The same Quran that reads, "Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you" (2:194), also reads, "Goodness and evil are not the same. So repel evil with goodness, then the one who had enmity between you becomes a trusted and dear friend" (41:34). When it comes to dealing with a transgressor, the Quran is basically delineating four different strategies, the validity of which is contingent on the situational and contextual factors. The first is retaliation which is permissible on the condition that it does not exceed the limits. Verse (2:194) is clear on this, "whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you." Verse (16:126) gives the same meaning, "and if you take your turn, then retaliate with the like of that with which you were afflicted." Verse (3:134) gives the other three strategies, "and those who restrain their anger and pardon men; and God loves the doers of good to others." The three methods given here are, (a) to restrain one's anger and not respond, (b) to pardon the wrongdoer, and (c) to do good to the transgressor. According to verse, method (c) is the most beloved by God. Here the Quran teaches the superiority, in the sight of God, of responding to evil with goodness. Now what should the Muslim do when wronged? It depends on the context, on the situational factors. Under some circumstances, the wrongdoer must be punished. Under others, one should refrain from retaliation, or go a step further to wholehearted forgiveness, or even repel the transgressor's evil with goodness. The above is important for explaining how to deal with the Quranic text.
So now back to your question:
Quote:
How can you say suicide bombers are misinterpreting the word of God
Well, maybe they just don't want to interpret it the right way..
BigErf is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 11:17 PM   #47
RoundGuy
Banned daily at 8:00 pm
 
RoundGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: My role in WW? Good luck with that
Posts: 7,951
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoundGuy View Post
Do we have a self-proclaimed prophet on this board?

James, are you a prophet of God?
Quote:
Originally Posted by James 2:14 View Post
does a messenger have to be a prophet. you asked and i answered.
You didn't really answer. Yes or No would be good.

Quote:
Originally Posted by leprous_hand View Post
only real way to find out is to kill him right? not sure on the tradition here
RGT is brand new. We can start any traditions we want. What would you suggest?
RoundGuy is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 11:29 PM   #48
BigErf
veteran
 
BigErf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 3,315
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janabis View Post
I agree that the world would be a much better place if children were protected against religious indoctrination of all kinds. Unfortunately, we have American children being sent to church and labelled Christians from the day they're born, and the same thing happening with Muslims in the Middle East.
From the time I can remember I went to church in my youth and went to Catechism every Wednesday. I was raised Catholic and couldn't have cared less about it. When I turned 16 I stopped going, except for maybe Christmas or Easter. And now 15 years later I haven't been inside a church and have no plans on going.

But I came back to God on my own and would now die for my Christian belief. Because I've investigated it on my own behalf and found validity in my searching. It would be wrong to NOT teach children of God their Creator, but it must be done with respect. If you protect children from religious indoctrine you deny them the Truth and this is where we as adults go wrong because most don't care enough to investigate it themselves. So this in turn results in a world that we live in today.
BigErf is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 11:37 PM   #49
RoundGuy
Banned daily at 8:00 pm
 
RoundGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: My role in WW? Good luck with that
Posts: 7,951
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigErf View Post
If you protect children from religious indoctrine you deny them the Truth
I don't think "truth" means what you think it means....
RoundGuy is offline  
Old 01-16-2009, 11:46 PM   #50
leprous_hand
unclean
 
leprous_hand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: General Snus
Posts: 16,229
Re: Anyone believe in the rapture?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoundGuy View Post
You didn't really answer. Yes or No would be good.



RGT is brand new. We can start any traditions we want. What would you suggest?
clever dodge by you imo

Last edited by leprous_hand; 01-16-2009 at 11:47 PM. Reason: yeah cause killing prophets is old as it gets
leprous_hand is offline  

Closed Thread
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:56 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2017, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online