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Old 06-03-2020, 11:32 AM   #1
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Any Modern Day Stoas Out There?

I've been practicing stoicism for about 2 years now and have really enjoyed it, and I've seen a TON of benefits/progress. 2 months ago I joined an online stoa and we meet once a month (so only twice so far) and it has been great.

However I would like to meet even more often, and with different people/more people on the topic of stoicism and was curious if there were any virtual groups you guys knew of that practiced? (Even groups that just talk about the theory work for me)

Do you guys know of any modern day stoas?

(I know about stoicon and will be attending once I feel covid has died down enough, and for in person stoas I live in northern Idaho right next to Spokane WA, and haven't been able to find any local groups which is why I've been searching so hard for virtual ones)
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Old 06-04-2020, 04:33 AM   #2
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I've been practicing stoicism for about 2 years now and have really enjoyed it, and I've seen a TON of benefits/progress. 2 months ago I joined an online stoa and we meet once a month (so only twice so far) and it has been great.

However I would like to meet even more often, and with different people/more people on the topic of stoicism and was curious if there were any virtual groups you guys knew of that practiced? (Even groups that just talk about the theory work for me)

Do you guys know of any modern day stoas?

(I know about stoicon and will be attending once I feel covid has died down enough, and for in person stoas I live in northern Idaho right next to Spokane WA, and haven't been able to find any local groups which is why I've been searching so hard for virtual ones)
Can you describe some of the benefits/progress?
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Old 06-04-2020, 10:48 AM   #3
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Can you describe some of the benefits/progress?
So some things I've been doing are true old school stoic ideas. Other things are rooted in stoicism but technically modern day cognitive behavioral therapy techniques. And others are just general ideas that are similar, but I can share some things.

1.) For almost 2 years now I've been meditating daily. It has reduced anxiety, increased mindfulness, and has REALLY helped me in "accepting" things.

2.) I take a daily Scottish shower (and do a monthly polar plunge during winter months). I've been doing that for 2 years. The benefits of that are learning how to catch your breath, and the idea of easy hard, hard easy (basically by voluntarily doing hard things, you build confidence, so when you're forced to do hard things, they actually seem easy....this helps me a lot in business when running into obstacles/challenges)

3.) I practice negative visualization. This helps with all sorts of things, like fear and anxiety and confidence.

4.) I intermittent fast (I eat between 4pm and 10pm only). And I also do a 40+ hour fast once a week. This helps with discipline, and there's some studies that show that fasting is healthy for you (raising your HGH level etc.)

I'm not an expert and I don't know enough, so I can't say if this is "healthy" or not...but what I can say is at my fattest I was 215 pounds. When I started IF I was 196 pounds. It's been 2 years now and at the beginning of this month I was 175 pounds. So I lost the weight, and have kept it off. Plus the time I save only preparing 1 meal a day has been NICE! (not to mention the power I have over food now, it used to have power over me)

5.) I practice outcome independence. So if I'm trying to do something (like play a poker tournament) all I do is focus on playing the best I can. I no longer "care" if I win/lose/bust on the bubble, etc. Now my whole pro career (14 years) I said I did that, but deep down I did "care" about my results. Whereas now I don't give a **** at all (granted I only play now as a hobby, but even in things like business, landing a new account for vending, or getting a good deal on a real estate transaction, I give 0 ****s about the result)

6.) I also work daily on remembering all things are temporary (even life) so I'll think things like, "when I kiss my wife, I'm kissing a mortal" (that line is 100% stolen lol)...but I do it and it helps me keep in mind the temporary nature of existence (right now I still fear death, but I can tell I'm getting closer to no longer caring, AND almost everything else in life, like my house, my businesses, my friendships, I've accepted that someday I won't have them and no longer worry/stress/fear about losing them) It really has been a huge weight off my shoulders.

7.) I practice daily positive self talk. Having a "friend" instead of an "*******" talking to yourself is REALLY nice.

8.) I practice exposure therapy daily for things I fear (right now working on snakes/spiders)...seems silly, but ANY fear I have I do it, and eventually it goes completely away which is nice.



Basically 2 years ago I was playing poker in the evenings/weekends. Working on my rental business during daytime during the week. And any spare second I got I was building my vending business. Plus I have a wife/daughter, and have other hobbies I enjoy. I finally "took a break" from poker (didn't play a single hand for 20 months) and had time in the evening/weekend to do other things. I spent it on sort of a self improvement kick.

The biggest/most important changes I've found have all been rooted in stoicism, so that's why I'm looking for a place to talk/discuss/think about it more. Basically trying to find like minded people
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Old 06-05-2020, 05:08 AM   #4
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Do you guys know of any modern day stoas?
Derren Brown (the magician) is very into stoicism, and he's written a book about it ("Happy", I think?). I haven't read it and don't know anything more about it, but I believe he talked a bit about it when he was on Joe Rogan.




At least I think he talked about it on Rogan! But I do know he talked about it with Sam Harris on his podcast:

https://samharris.org/podcasts/143-keys-mind/




(Irrelevant aside: Both Rogan and Harris have in common asking their guests whether they've tried psychedelics!)

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Old 06-08-2020, 08:54 PM   #5
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Re: Any Modern Day Stoas Out There?

what do stoics think happens after death?
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Old 06-11-2020, 06:37 AM   #6
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So some things I've been doing are true old school stoic ideas. Other things are rooted in stoicism but technically modern day cognitive behavioral therapy techniques. And others are just general ideas that are similar, but I can share some things.

1.) For almost 2 years now I've been meditating daily. It has reduced anxiety, increased mindfulness, and has REALLY helped me in "accepting" things.

2.) I take a daily Scottish shower (and do a monthly polar plunge during winter months). I've been doing that for 2 years. The benefits of that are learning how to catch your breath, and the idea of easy hard, hard easy (basically by voluntarily doing hard things, you build confidence, so when you're forced to do hard things, they actually seem easy....this helps me a lot in business when running into obstacles/challenges)

3.) I practice negative visualization. This helps with all sorts of things, like fear and anxiety and confidence.

4.) I intermittent fast (I eat between 4pm and 10pm only). And I also do a 40+ hour fast once a week. This helps with discipline, and there's some studies that show that fasting is healthy for you (raising your HGH level etc.)

I'm not an expert and I don't know enough, so I can't say if this is "healthy" or not...but what I can say is at my fattest I was 215 pounds. When I started IF I was 196 pounds. It's been 2 years now and at the beginning of this month I was 175 pounds. So I lost the weight, and have kept it off. Plus the time I save only preparing 1 meal a day has been NICE! (not to mention the power I have over food now, it used to have power over me)

5.) I practice outcome independence. So if I'm trying to do something (like play a poker tournament) all I do is focus on playing the best I can. I no longer "care" if I win/lose/bust on the bubble, etc. Now my whole pro career (14 years) I said I did that, but deep down I did "care" about my results. Whereas now I don't give a **** at all (granted I only play now as a hobby, but even in things like business, landing a new account for vending, or getting a good deal on a real estate transaction, I give 0 ****s about the result)

6.) I also work daily on remembering all things are temporary (even life) so I'll think things like, "when I kiss my wife, I'm kissing a mortal" (that line is 100% stolen lol)...but I do it and it helps me keep in mind the temporary nature of existence (right now I still fear death, but I can tell I'm getting closer to no longer caring, AND almost everything else in life, like my house, my businesses, my friendships, I've accepted that someday I won't have them and no longer worry/stress/fear about losing them) It really has been a huge weight off my shoulders.

7.) I practice daily positive self talk. Having a "friend" instead of an "*******" talking to yourself is REALLY nice.

8.) I practice exposure therapy daily for things I fear (right now working on snakes/spiders)...seems silly, but ANY fear I have I do it, and eventually it goes completely away which is nice.



Basically 2 years ago I was playing poker in the evenings/weekends. Working on my rental business during daytime during the week. And any spare second I got I was building my vending business. Plus I have a wife/daughter, and have other hobbies I enjoy. I finally "took a break" from poker (didn't play a single hand for 20 months) and had time in the evening/weekend to do other things. I spent it on sort of a self improvement kick.

The biggest/most important changes I've found have all been rooted in stoicism, so that's why I'm looking for a place to talk/discuss/think about it more. Basically trying to find like minded people
Thanks for taking the time. I find it interesting and I have a friend who does the same although I don't think he thinks of it as Stoicism. Personally, I'm a little too hedonistic to be a stoic
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Old 06-19-2020, 08:38 PM   #7
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what do stoics think happens after death?
Stoics are all about pursuing truth....so my guess would be they'd admit that we don't know what happens when you die.
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Old 06-19-2020, 08:42 PM   #8
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Thanks for taking the time. I find it interesting and I have a friend who does the same although I don't think he thinks of it as Stoicism. Personally, I'm a little too hedonistic to be a stoic
There's nothing wrong with hedonism as long as it's paired with wisdom and temperance. (basically you need to be wise about what you indulge in, and make sure to moderate it)

In fact, learning to live without makes you appreciate the spices of life even more.
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Old 06-19-2020, 11:18 PM   #9
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I found the book “The Obstacle is the Way” to be fascinating. As a Buddhist, I find a lot of similarities between Buddhism and stoicism.
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Old 06-24-2020, 10:52 PM   #10
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Stoics are all about pursuing truth....so my guess would be they'd admit that we don't know what happens when you die.

I'm assuming you mean objective truth because I would assume most people try to pursue their own truth.

how do you know if the truth you are pursing is objective or not.

also, what is the point of practicing stoicism if there is no pursuit of truth regarding life after our bodily death? to make our current lives easier to live?

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Old 06-24-2020, 11:45 PM   #11
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what is the point of practicing stoicism if there is no pursuit of truth regarding life after our bodily death? to make our current lives easier to live?
Because believing there is some weird life after death is much harder than just living the life you have.
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Old 06-29-2020, 10:34 PM   #12
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I'm assuming you mean objective truth because I would assume most people try to pursue their own truth.

What's a good example of your own truth?
What is something that is "true for you" but not for someone else (if that is what you mean)?
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Old 06-30-2020, 02:11 PM   #13
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So some things I've been doing are true old school stoic ideas. Other things are rooted in stoicism but technically modern day cognitive behavioral therapy techniques. And others are just general ideas that are similar, but I can share some things.

1.) For almost 2 years now I've been meditating daily. It has reduced anxiety, increased mindfulness, and has REALLY helped me in "accepting" things.
What kind of meditation do you do?

I read William Irvine's A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy several years ago and enjoyed it. I have a naturally phlegmatic disposition, so Stoic principles and heuristics of emotional regulation are both useful (especially for poker players!) and relatively easy for me to implement. However, I find its account of the good life too narrow and overly focused on the intellect to adopt solely as my own.
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