Nah I'm alright with telling you to go **** yourself

define "I'm alright"

I'm okay with it. I don't consider it worthy of an apology or indeed some act of contrition.

Clearly someone just wants to pick fights. Good luck with that. Another thing theists are good at - fighting in the name of religion (alongside blatant disregard of opposing views, or in this case, proof that one is a hypocrite).

If your religious doctrine advocates that kind of treatment of others (go phuck yourself), than so be it. I guess you aren't a hypocrite. I'm assuming you also aren't a Christian, Muslim, Jew? Maybe you're agnostic like me. One of many good things about being agnostic is that I'm not a hypocrite if I choose to talk down to people (I don't btw). But if I did, at least I'd only have to answer to myself. Theists who act like that have to answer to their god. Good luck w/ that.

Donni you manage to assert it's been proved I'm a hypocrite in the first paragraph then accept it may not be the case in paragraph. 2. Which is it? If you doubt the rigor of proof then it's going to be a mistake to claim it.

As for picking fights you're the one to resurrect a two week old post in a discussion that has moved on from it in order to make some pretty incoherent claims about theism. So despite your assertions as to my hypocrisy and your denial of your own the evidence suggests to the contrary.

It may be that you have something to add to the conversation but there is as yet little to suggest it.

Clearly you don't get my sarcasm.

Let me put it this way. If a theist tells people to go eff themselves, then I will proclaim them to be a hypocrite. Granted this may not be fair in the sense that some religions may advocate such treatment of others, I believe I'm justified in assuming that most do not.

To take it a step further, if you please (by no means feel obligated), answer the following questions:

1) Are you a theist?
2) If 1) is "yes", what is your religion?
3) If 1 and 2, what does your religion say about how to treat others?
4) Would the founders of your religion be disappointed in how you treat others?
5) Would your god ever tell someone to go eff themself?

Donni it's not sarcasm it's just poor reasoning.

I don't care if you consider, or indeed call me a hypocrite. My issue is with you considering it proven. You assert I'm a hypocrite then claim it proven based upon the earlier assertion, you then claim later that it's based on some assumptions that you then ask me to confirm.

It's a methodology that if employed by a theist would, rightly, be criticised by antitheists.

You obvously think your questions are smart but lets consider that if I am to answer them it's a step back not a step further, it's addressing assumptions you've already made.

However

1 Yes
2 None
3&4 N/A because 2 is none
5 No but then given how rarely it seems God speaks to anyone I'd be shocked to find one of those times was to communicate to someone God merely wanted to tell go **** themselves.

You are digging way too deeply into this. I'm not sure what I'm missing.

You believe in a god that would be disappointed that you told someone to go eff themself. Your god most likely teaches you not to treat people like that. Maybe you're correct - hypocrite might not be the best word for that. My apologies. I will consider a better word, but for now we can agree that your actions are not indicative of (at least one) of your beliefs.

Nah again my problem isn't with you calling me a hypocrite it was that you suggested it was proved. Proof requires a slightly higher burden than that.

I also don't believe in a God that would be disappointed in me saying to someone they can go **** themselves.

@dereds

tbh i prefer talking with people that tell me to go **** myshelf than others who dont say it even though they want to

as a theist with no religion would you consider your self antireligionist?

dont know if you are deist or what but i admit that "antireligionist" should be added as a choice

I think a lot of congregations contain really good people and I think a lot of the values professed by religious institutions are ones that I can identify with. I also think there have been horrendous acts committed in Gods name and that churches need to redefine the type of role that they have in modern society.

I'm happy to argue with antitheists that religious organisations can be progressive and make a positive contribution to communities. I'm also happy to argue with members of religious congregations when I believe that church to be wrong. I left the church I was a member of because I couldn't correlate my values with the church's position.

I do think that if what you wanted for this thread is just a straw poll of who is an atheist and who isn't then I was probably too harsh. If however you want to make the case for antitheism you need to address the challenge of theists rather than atheists.

You are right - it wasn't proved. I stand corrected.

Used to be an antitheist, but guess I've mellowed in my old age.

Think it's hard to argue that religion doesn't make some people better.

I know of no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too desirous of evidence in support of their core beliefs.

SAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HARRISSSSSS

Have the moral landscape lined up so I'm hoping it's a decent place to start.

I've a lot of reading to get through

To start what?

Sam Harris.

Not meaning to sound facetious I've the Carrier you recommended on my wishlist at Amazon but I'm just kinda blundering through not completely unrelated but interesting stuff at the moment.

That said I'm still reading the Ancestors tale and I thank you for that as well.

Yeah, then I agree it's a good place to start.

Heh, no worries.

Sweeeet.