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Originally Posted by Deorum
No, you're confusing yourself here. You're saying people shouldn't be allowed to get tattoos because the primary purpose of skin is not to be an art canvas. I'm saying that has no bearing on whether or not somebody should be allowed to get a tattoo.
Thank you for conceding the entire issue to me here, by apparently agreeing that pleasure and love are not the primary biological purpose of human reproductive organs.
In any event, I did not immediately reach any inference about what homosexuals can or can't do from the fact that reproductive organs are primarily for reproduction. It was only a first observation in building up an argument, which primarily concerned what marriage is: a life-long relationship in which a man and a woman attempt to reproduce and raise their children together.
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I know, and again, you're wrong. You don't get to tell people why they should get married.
Homosexuals can get married, in exactly the same way that any who isn't married can get married. My argument isn't about who can get married. It's about what marriage is.
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Adding multiple people to a marriage makes it a bit hairy legally, but I certainly would call their relationship a marriage if they were married to one another. The nature of the relationship itself would determine whether or not they were married and/or a family. The way you phrase it, though, makes it sound as if you are referring more to an orphanage, which of course would not be a marriage (though could be considered a family in a sense I suppose).
"I would call their relationship a marriage if they were married to one another." And what do you understand by the term marriage, then, if it could be a term applied to seven chaste women?
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No, I only want to call the relationship a marriage if they want to get married.
So if a man and his divorced grandmother wanted to get married, that would be okay with you? Marriage is nothing but a label attached to a relationship according to the expressed desire of the two people in that relationship? Is that your definition of marriage?
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And the last sentence is just flat out wrong, I'm not sure why you decided to throw that in there.
I said that your intuition that two homosexuals raising a child is a family was based on the similarity of that set of relationships to a family with married heterosexual parents. Am I wrong?
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Fortunately we are talking about the US and Europe right now.
I am not talking about any time or place in particular. I am talking about what marriage is.
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No. You are very confused on the topic of marriage and I was hoping that my post was clear enough to help you understand things a bit better.
Since you know more about the topic of marriage than me, you could help me by clarifying what you understand by the term 'marriage,' as I asked above. What is marriage?