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Originally Posted by neeeel
Is a credible threat of death considered force?
By not giving someone water, there is a credible threat of death. Do you agree?
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I would say, an action, with the intent to damage physically, cause pain, or cause death, would be violence.
Ahhhh... we're starting to get to intention now. This is important. There's a difference between actions that intend to cause harm and actions not intending to cause harm. So intention is now a part of violence.
How do you feel about this in terms of violence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZSoJDUD_bU
Also, would you consider holding tightly to a water bottle an action or an inaction?
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I dont think inaction counts as force or violence, but I am sure you are going to try and show me that I am wrong.
It depends on how far back you're allowing the chain of causality to apply.
I think you would agree that the following scenario is coercive:
"I have trapped you in a room with another person. I want you to kill that person. If you don't, I'll shoot you in the head."
But what do you say of this scenario:
"I have trapped you in a room with another person. I want you to kill that person. But here's the thing. There's this other guy over here that wants to kill you. I can stop him from doing that, but only if you kill the other guy. If you don't, I'll just not stop him, and then whatever consequences follow are things you've really just brought on yourself."
Also, you haven't clarified at all why you're justified in taking aggressive actions to prevent me from taking the water bottle that's over there. Since it's not yours, I should be able to just go over there and do that.