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06-27-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
I would only assent to this if the way in which they were compromised made them worse the next most experienced individual.

The type of mentality you've put forward is kind of why people listen to medical advice from celebrities and not from doctors.

Then let me make clear what I am saying. I believe that the corruption in Washington is like a cancer. I am not sure if it is reversible but non the less I can only hope that my theory on Trump fixing the problem can possibly turn things around. So I guess the equation is CANCER=COMPROMISED.
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06-27-2017 , 03:26 PM
My freedom to play online poker has become a bargaining chip for lawmakers to use for financial purposes that are hidden from us all. My problem with this (online poker) is merely the tip of the iceberg. There are so many freedoms that bargained with everyday. I cant stand the fact that a Russian or any other nationality has the freedom to play poker in his underware and I dont. JUST SAYING!!
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06-27-2017 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
Then let me make clear what I am saying. I believe that the corruption in Washington is like a cancer. I am not sure if it is reversible but non the less I can only hope that my theory on Trump fixing the problem can possibly turn things around.
If that's your only hope, I feel sorry for your outlook on life.
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06-27-2017 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
My freedom to play online poker has become a bargaining chip for lawmakers to use for financial purposes that are hidden from us all. My problem with this (online poker) is merely the tip of the iceberg. There are so many freedoms that bargained with everyday. I cant stand the fact that a Russian or any other nationality has the freedom to play poker in his underware and I dont. JUST SAYING!!
Yeah. It's the important things that matter most.
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06-27-2017 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
If that's your only hope, I feel sorry for your outlook on life.
Thanks for your concern but i will be just fine my friend.
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06-27-2017 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Yeah. It's the important things that matter most.
I see freedom as important.
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06-27-2017 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
What I am saying is I am 100% sure that the level of corruption in the political class is at a level that ppl like you and I will never know the enormity of it. It is ironic that folks on a site that revolves around online poker can not understand the bigger picture here(Sheldon). It is characters like this and many others who have put our weak lawmakers in a corruption stranglehold that has to be countered. When I do agree that Donald Trump is not Ideal for President of our Country I also know that his over inflated ego is exactly what we needed to counter this problem of the relationship between lawmakers and lobbyist. As I said it is my hope that Trump disrupts the political blocs INCLUDING the GOP.
Sheldon Adelson and trump are buds.

Trump is going to make Washington dirtier then ever. He is setting precedents of grift that will take a long time to recover form.

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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
My freedom to play online poker has become a bargaining chip for lawmakers to use for financial purposes that are hidden from us all. My problem with this (online poker) is merely the tip of the iceberg. There are so many freedoms that bargained with everyday. I cant stand the fact that a Russian or any other nationality has the freedom to play poker in his underware and I dont. JUST SAYING!!
Trumps AG Jeff Sessions aint giving you online poker. You will have to wait four to eight years. Maybe much more.

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06-28-2017 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
I see freedom as important.
I have no doubt you're willing to sacrifice many others for your freedom.
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06-28-2017 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Trumps AG Jeff Sessions aint giving you online poker. You will have to wait four to eight years. Maybe much more.
His only hope is his theory on Trump. JUST SAYING!!!
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06-28-2017 , 12:46 AM
Hope he didn't vote for him because of poker...
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06-28-2017 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Sheldon Adelson and trump are buds.

Trump is going to make Washington dirtier then ever. He is setting precedents of grift that will take a long time to recover form.


Trumps AG Jeff Sessions aint giving you online poker. You will have to wait four to eight years. Maybe much more.
My point is Trump's pockets too deep and ego to big to be bought by anyone.
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06-28-2017 , 01:20 AM
Rich people like trump always want deeper pockets. He will be the king of grift and corruption. Id guess.
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06-28-2017 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
My point is Trump's pockets too deep and ego to big to be bought by anyone.
Even though I'm not happy with the President pandering to whatever special interests there may be, I'd still prefer that to a President that's pandering to his own ego. At least with special interests, I know that there are multiple people who benefit, and there's a reasonable chance that there were others on the opposite side trying to pander as well, so that the system was in some way competitive.

If the President is primarily concerned about his own ego, there may be situations where he's the only one that stands to benefit from his decisions.
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06-28-2017 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
My point is Trump's pockets too deep and ego to big to be bought by anyone.
There are other ways to try to buy influence besides money. I believe Trump can be bought by stroking his ego. Or misled by the same mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...83d_video.html
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06-28-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
I have no doubt you're willing to sacrifice many others for your freedom.
How you can make this statement about someone you don't know is beyond me. To know me is to know the exact opposite.
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06-28-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Rich people like trump always want deeper pockets. He will be the king of grift and corruption. Id guess.
King of grift and corruption, you mean like the Clintons?
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06-28-2017 , 10:42 AM
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King of grift and corruption, you mean like the Clintons?
Lol. Look for someone else to defend the Clintons.
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06-28-2017 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
How you can make this statement about someone you don't know is beyond me. To know me is to know the exact opposite.
I make the statement because your list of citations of things that you think are incredibly important all appear to be things that focus on you. The thing "you can't stand":

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I cant stand the fact that a Russian or any other nationality has the freedom to play poker in his underware and I dont.
I mean... totally. This is the thing that's completely intolerable about the US right now.

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06-28-2017 , 10:52 AM
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Oh and Aaron I'm sorry as I never even hit the link because it says "washington post".
Fair enough. One can choose to believe whatever they want to believe for whatever reasons they choose to believe it. This includes willfully ignoring something like two minutes of raw video (that is, no commentary added) of the President that clearly makes the point that you don't necessarily need money to buy things from people who like their ego stroked.
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06-28-2017 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
I make the statement because your list of citations of things that you think are incredibly important all appear to be things that focus on you. The thing "you can't stand":



I mean... totally. This is the thing that's completely intolerable.
All I am saying is that I live in Country that promotes our freedom as being what holds us apart from the rest. This is what I have been taught through my life and it is a little bit frustrating when I look up and see that ppl abroad have freedoms that I don't. This in no way means that I don't wish for the peace and freedoms of all people in this world because I DO. Freedom to play a game online should not even come into question imo. But it is obvious that the corruption issues that I talked about are the core reasons we are having these problems and like I said if voting in a crazy man like Trump has any chance of changing things I am in. The status quo is going NO WHERE!!!
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06-28-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
All I am saying is that I live in Country that promotes our freedom as being what holds us apart from the rest. This is what I have been taught through my life and it is a little bit frustrating when I look up and see that ppl abroad have freedoms that I don't. This in no way means that I don't wish for the peace and freedoms of all people in this world because I DO. Freedom to play a game online should not even come into question imo. But it is obvious that the corruption issues that I talked about are the core reasons we are having these problems and like I said if voting in a crazy man like Trump has any chance of changing things I am in. The status quo is going NO WHERE!!!
I use the term crazy man so you could relate.
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06-28-2017 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by vegasbound99
All I am saying is that I live in Country that promotes our freedom as being what holds us apart from the rest. This is what I have been taught through my life and it is a little bit frustrating when I look up and see that ppl abroad have freedoms that I don't.
Again, you're totally making the case that you've got a clear sense in your head of things that are important compared to things that are not.

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Freedom to play a game online should not even come into question imo.
At some level, I agree. But probably for reasons that are quite different from yours.

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But it is obvious that the corruption issues that I talked about are the core reasons we are having these problems and like I said if voting in a crazy man like Trump has any chance of changing things I am in. The status quo is going NO WHERE!!!
Do you like where things are going now? If so, what do you like about it?
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06-28-2017 , 11:21 AM
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I use the term crazy man so you could relate.
I can only assume that this is some reference to a guy wanting to be on the internet in his underwear.
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06-28-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Again, you're totally making the case that you've got a clear sense in your head of things that are important compared to things that are not.



At some level, I agree. But probably for reasons that are quite different from yours.


Do you like where things are going now? If so, what do you like about it?


Even when we agree on something you feel this need to separate yourself from me when you don't even know me. Why? You have no idea if your reasons are different than mine. We are brothers in humanity and its that simple. Stop looking for the difference between yourself and ppl that you classify as me.
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06-28-2017 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Even though I'm not happy with the President pandering to whatever special interests there may be, I'd still prefer that to a President that's pandering to his own ego. At least with special interests, I know that there are multiple people who benefit, and there's a reasonable chance that there were others on the opposite side trying to pander as well, so that the system was in some way competitive.
Really? "Special interests" is mostly just a pejorative phrase for when civil society tries to influence politicians. Shouldn't we regard that as a good thing? Or do you accept the Rousseauian view that democratic leaders should govern solely according to the so-called general will of the people? Here is James Madison:

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There are, moreover, two considerations particularly applicable to the federal system of America, which place that system in a very interesting point of view. First. In a single republic, all the power surrendered by the people is submitted to the administration of a single government; and the usurpations are guarded against by a division of the government into distinct and separate departments. In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first divided between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subdivided among distinct and separate departments. Hence a double security arises to the rights of the people. The different governments will control each other, at the same time that each will be controlled by itself. Second. It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. Different interests necessarily exist in different classes of citizens. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure.

There are but two methods of providing against this evil: the one by creating a will in the community independent of the majority that is, of the society itself; the other, by comprehending in the society so many separate descriptions of citizens as will render an unjust combination of a majority of the whole very improbable, if not impracticable. The first method prevails in all governments possessing an hereditary or self-appointed authority. This, at best, is but a precarious security; because a power independent of the society may as well espouse the unjust views of the major, as the rightful interests of the minor party, and may possibly be turned against both parties. The second method will be exemplified in the federal republic of the United States. Whilst all authority in it will be derived from and dependent on the society, the society itself will be broken into so many parts, interests, and classes of citizens, that the rights of individuals, or of the minority, will be in little danger from interested combinations of the majority.

In a free government the security for civil rights must be the same as that for religious rights. It consists in the one case in the multiplicity of interests, and in the other in the multiplicity of sects. The degree of security in both cases will depend on the number of interests and sects; and this may be presumed to depend on the extent of country and number of people comprehended under the same government. This view of the subject must particularly recommend a proper federal system to all the sincere and considerate friends of republican government, since it shows that in exact proportion as the territory of the Union may be formed into more circumscribed Confederacies, or States oppressive combinations of a majority will be facilitated: the best security, under the republican forms, for the rights of every class of citizens, will be diminished: and consequently the stability and independence of some member of the government, the only other security, must be proportionately increased. Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit. In a society under the forms of which the stronger faction can readily unite and oppress the weaker, anarchy may as truly be said to reign as in a state of nature, where the weaker individual is not secured against the violence of the stronger; and as, in the latter state, even the stronger individuals are prompted, by the uncertainty of their condition, to submit to a government which may protect the weak as well as themselves; so, in the former state, will the more powerful factions or parties be gradnally induced, by a like motive, to wish for a government which will protect all parties, the weaker as well as the more powerful.
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