Adam and Eve and evolution - Religion, God, and Theology

I thought this was common knowledge that the Genesis account and evolution aren't contradictory or mutually exclusive.

Can we put this matter to rest?

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11-06-2009 , 09:17 PM

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I thought this was common knowledge that the Genesis account and evolution aren't contradictory or mutually exclusive.

Can we put this matter to rest?

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11-06-2009 , 10:23 PM

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I thought this was common knowledge that the Genesis account and evolution aren't contradictory or mutually exclusive.

Can we put this matter to rest?

News to me. Cite?

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11-06-2009 , 10:40 PM

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I thought this was common knowledge that the Genesis account and evolution aren't contradictory or mutually exclusive.

Can we put this matter to rest?

Well now that you've provided such stellar evidence and substance, yes.

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11-06-2009 , 10:45 PM

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How is it compatible?

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11-06-2009 , 10:50 PM

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How is it compatible?

It's not, but I'm sure there are some convoluted excuses spread around on creationist message boards that have been passed down through the decades that will be copy and pasted here soon

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11-06-2009 , 11:14 PM

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How is it compatible?

How is it not?

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11-06-2009 , 11:16 PM

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Probably because one says humans were created in their current form and the other says humans evolved from single celled organisms?

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11-06-2009 , 11:19 PM

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Probably because one says humans were created in their current form and the other says humans evolved from single celled organisms?

Genesis says God made adam out of clay/earth. Sounds actually remarkably like what evolution teaches.

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11-06-2009 , 11:22 PM

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that 'clay' is a synonym for single celled organisms.

There you go again, trying to make the circle fit into the square. Smash it some more.

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11-06-2009 , 11:25 PM

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Genesis also says that women were made from a man's rib. How convenient you didn't decide to bring that up and try to substantially distort science into agreeing with it.

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Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman,
for she was taken out of man."

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11-06-2009 , 11:26 PM

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that 'clay' is a synonym for single celled organisms.

There you go again, trying to make the circle fit into the square. Smash it some more.

lol, you expect it to say single cell organism? There you go again to make that circle anything other than a circle. Try squinting really hard, maybe that will do it!

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11-06-2009 , 11:29 PM

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lol, you expect it to say single cell organism?

Yeah, I do...shouldn't god know more than science? If he doesn't why call him god?

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11-06-2009 , 11:36 PM

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Yeah, I do...shouldn't god know more than science? If he doesn't why call him god?

THE BIBLE IS NOT MEANT TO BE A SCIENCE TEXT BOOK!!!!!!! How many times does this have to be said? Seriously, this is absurd.

Why would God waste time explaining abiogenesis or anything else to people 5k years ago? What does that have to do with salvation?

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11-06-2009 , 11:36 PM

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Can you at least admit you don't have an answer to a post before skipping to the next one?

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11-06-2009 , 11:37 PM

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THE BIBLE IS NOT MEANT TO BE A SCIENCE TEXT BOOK!!!!!!! How many times does this have to be said? Seriously, this is absurd.

Except for the parts where it seeks to explain or identify with scientific topics...like the one we are talking about I guess.

If the bible is correct about a claim or topic:

Jib: See, how could anyone know that! God really does exist and this is proof! God explained this perfectly and it even matches up with science IMO!

If the bible is incorrect or errant about a topic:

Jib: THE BIBLE IS NOT MEANT TO BE A SCIENCE TEXT BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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11-06-2009 , 11:43 PM

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Genesis says God made adam out of clay/earth. Sounds actually remarkably like what evolution teaches.

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11-06-2009 , 11:52 PM

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I'd like to update everyone here: 3 theists came into this thread to explain to everyone how the story of adam and eve is compatible with evolution, and the very, very best substantiation of this so far has been a single biblical quote saying that adam and even were made from clay. They all then left the thread, and proceeded to think they won the argument.

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11-07-2009 , 12:43 AM

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How is it not?

Well, for a start, there's the fact that humanity has never experienced a population bottleneck of two people, or of eight people, let alone both. And while not strictly evolution, I haven't seen any scientific evidence for humans living a thousand years.

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11-07-2009 , 12:44 AM

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They are compatible because the story of Adam and Eve teaches the nature of man and human principles. Accepting the story of Adam and Eve literally not only leaves people blind to the process of evolution, but also to the messages presented in the story.

Evolution teaches how life and such developed.

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11-07-2009 , 01:10 AM

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They are compatible because the story of Adam and Eve teaches the nature of man and human principles. Accepting the story of Adam and Eve literally not only leaves people blind to the process of evolution, but also to the messages presented in the story.

Evolution teaches how life and such developed.

This is true of course but the overwhelming majority of theists believe it is an account of how man actually came to be. It's definitely the reason they won't accept evolution either. Very silly to take any story in the bible as something that actually happened but somewhere along the way myth turned into reality.

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11-07-2009 , 01:23 AM

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I mean, there is a middle ground. Some of it can be taken as somewhat historically accurate; other sections cannot be taken literally. The story of Adam and Eve really belongs under the "figurative" category.

I mean, I could even see a compromise in "God made things that then evolved."

I have heard some pretty interesting theories which point out flaws in the whole theory of evolution that have trouble bridging the gap between "This puddle then became a person." However, to deny that evolution never happened at all is just a ridiculous claim.

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11-07-2009 , 01:37 AM

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Like, what? I don't even think the exodus is widely accepted as something that actually occurred. Much of the history is entirely fabricated. The Bible is not a history account.

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11-07-2009 , 02:11 AM

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Like, what? I don't even think the exodus is widely accepted as something that actually occurred. Much of the history is entirely fabricated. The Bible is not a history account.

Would you like to expand a little bit on how you're measuring this and cite some sources?