Since a quick perusal of this forum shows a lot of people have disdain for religion and particularly Christianity, what do you anti-Christians or anti-religionists broadly say to abolitionists? Since something like say 99% of abolitionists were devoutly Christian, and cited the bible as their moral etiology for ending slavery as a worldwide institution (which has existed since well before history was history), would the world have been better off without Christianity? (Not that it matters but I'm not Christian).

1. There were many professing Christians on both sides of the slavery question.

2. Those Christians who were Biblically literate tended to be Abolitionists.

There are Scriptures that specifically condemn chattel slavery as was practiced in America.

For example, "manstealing" is specifically prohibited in the Bible.

Exodus 21:16, for example.

Nearly 99% of America was Christian then. So that means 99% of slave owners, including those relishing beating, raping, putting human beings in sweat boxes, applauding for sport the hanging of human beings (just as for centuries before) ... were Christians. These are just more instances of what is really in the minds of the believers and it isn't love and it isn't a god of love.

You should pick up a history book if you think that Americans and Christians were the only slave owners.

Solomon Northrup in 12 years a slave talks about his Christian slave owner being so nice he would almost prefer to live under his rule than as a freeman in the north.

Slavery in the middle east and all around the world was brutal, boys often being castrated, the weak left to die. Which nations were the first to make slavery problematic? Christian ones.

Where did this 99% stat come from?*

And, who qualified as being a Christian in the survey?

*I must confess my question is disingenuous. I'm confident that you literally made that number up.

Pretty sure you're full of ****. But of course, I have no idea who/what you consider a "Christian". Was Thomas Jefferson a "Christian"?

I'm more than pretty sure that if you put his 99% stat between two slices of bread, you'll have yourself a nice baloney sandwich.

Well I won my mind bet that the homies would focus completely on the 99 number and disregard all other implications concerning the religion. No doubt the masses were heavily predominantly Christian as the slave trade, KKK and lynchings flourished in the religion of love. BY Christians. If we look at current numbers the nation is about 65% self-reported Christian. If you take it back to the 70's that number increases steadily to 90%. So if we took it back another 200 years, it's obviously well into the 90's. But don't worry about that. Why are these soldiers of love abusers of human decency, hatemongers of the black race, crusaders, witch killers, misogynist, bigots, aborters, materialists? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't coming from love. Maybe, just maybe, it isn't and was never godly. But maybe if we dispute this number and leave all salient issues alone, we feel we have apologized for the real state of things, or, at least, avoided it with misdirection.

Fella, does stupidity run in your family for the last 200 years?

You never answered my question -- was Thomas Jefferson a Christian? He was a founding father. That's kind of important.

You mean people focused on the blatant falsehood? *Gasp*

"No doubt."

Except for the Muslim Arab slave trade:

https://www.dw.com/en/east-africas-f...ade/a-50126759

And those Chinese that were involved in the slave trade:

https://www.blackpast.org/global-afr...mising-future/

And the Norse:

https://www.history.com/news/viking-...raids-evidence

But you've never let facts influence your thinking in the past, so there's really no reason to think that it will have any influence on you in the present.

Also, I won my mental bet that you would ignore the fact that 100% of the human slave trade was caused by humans.

Congratulations, Skippy!

When will the mind you won arrive in the mail?

I don't want to sound mean, but please have your new mind installed pronto. It should be a major improvement.

Hey, Aaron, please stop polluting these threads with FACTS.

Thanking you in advance.

Cliff's Notes:


The deceitful zealots have the "facts" on their side when it comes to their supernatural beliefs. (Not.)

The deceitful true believers who must defend at all costs instead of analyze, capriciously make the charge of stupidity where it obviously doesn't apply because ad hominem is the only resort left when pinned down regarding their irrational apologetics.

Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian, not a supernatural believer ... and never did I claim Christianity was embedded in the US governmental official policies ... rather, that the masses were nearly universally Christian hundreds of years ago ... meaning, way up in the 90s percentile. And the point was not that the slave trade was overwhelmingly Christian internationally, but within the fledgling USA. So all the crap about China etc. is misdirection to avert from the point: Why is the Christian religion obsessed with killing, blood, judgment, materialism, sacrifice, bigotry ... instead of actually practicing love, tolerance, human value, kindness, compassion? Answer ... well, as Colonel Jessup said, you can't handle the truth obviously. Let's talk about the number 99, Thomas Jefferson, China ... anything but a candid discussion of the salient points the discussion of which COULD REDEEM THE RELIGION.

Well, that's a start. Let's see if you keep driving straight towards the Cliff....