Hey, lagtight, the first sentence of a post or an article is not necessarily the premise of the post or article. Since you're so hopelessly obtuse, let me state my THESIS in an extremely simple manner.

Religion sucks. We should get rid of it.

Notice how this passage does not in any way hinge upon my related-but-separate assertion that organized religious in the most destructive social phenomenon in our history.

Hope this helps with the rest of your contentless ramblings. Well, except for the part where you compared me to Hitler; I gotta admit that was some classic Internet Content.

Presumably you agree with this teacher? At minimum, about how evil Islam is, even if you don't think we should invade their countries.

1-3. I don't know. I'm extremely sorry for not having a totally comprehensive outline of this idealized world that only exists in my head. Thanks for the extremely good faith remarks. There's no way that you are Just Asking Questions here!

4. Organized religion is in itself dehumanizing. By definition, in most cases.

5. Sure as hell not Hitler. Hitler freely used religion to inspire fervor amongst the Germans, even though I see people arguing as to his individual faith, of which I only barely care. That's... the complete opposite of what I'd do if I were leader of a nation.

As that passage you quoted is concerned, I already made it clear that I am explicitly not advocating for anybody to be put to death. So take your strawman and shove it up your ass.

No, I don't agree with this teacher. I don't think I even believe in the concept of "evil". Organized religion, particularly of the Abrahamic variety, is an awful and disgusting thing, but I've never said that those that practice it are "evil". Just some combo of ill and indoctrinated. So no, your whole argument here is entirely moot.

Cool job trying to "by your logic" a gotcha, though. That's some solid internetting.

Edit: so, like, what do you think of the actual content of that post? Do you think it's problematic that an American public high school hired a teacher to teach kids about how our brave men and women need to go colonize the Middle East? Do you think it's problematic to allow the military to come into schools to get children to enlist? It sure seems to me that this stuff gets mentioned maybe once for every 50 times someone goes on about socialism at UC Berkeley or whatever.

You said you favored fines and incarceration for religious folks. How is it bad faith of me to ask you to cash that out a bit? (Pardon the pun.)

I agree, not Hitler. Even Hitler didn't jail all religious folks. Mostly just those pesky Jews. You want religious Jews in jail too, right?

I don't recall accusing you advocating for killing religious folks. The Gulag and re-education centers should do the trick.

I broadly said that I favored various measures to eliminate religious faith in the public, possibly including fines and prison, and you come to demand all these specifics. I'm a guy with some half-baked ideas on the internet, I'm not the Unibomber, I don't have a thousand page manifesto to which I can refer. Edit: let me not forget the larger point, which is that NONE OF THESE OBJECTIONS OR QUESTIONS ADDRESS THE MEAT OF MY POSTS ITT.

I'll give you a related example. When a child is forced to regularly attend religious services, my society could view this as child abuse (depending on degree) and said children could be taken away from the custody of the parents. These children would be placed in secular public schools and be given to foster parents who don't wish to impose this massive burden of a shared centuries-old religious ideology on their kids. Now, this is very broadly stated, and there are various exceptions, and I sadly don't have specifics. But hopefully this will elucidate my stance further.

I hold no burden to EXACTLY detail out the specifics of my Platonic society. And I can't, because I don't know them. I know that this is foreign to you, as you have your entire ideology and religion and worldview conveniently laid out for you from birth from those deeply learned 5th Century sheep farmers, but that's as good as humble old me can do.

Edit: I would not necessarily START with fines and prison. I'd prefer to render society non-religious in a non-punitive way. But such a thing might be impossible otherwise (or maybe not?)

Eh, I'm not trying to argue about the precise semantics you use here for "evil." I didn't take you to mean that your teacher literally claimed that Islam is evil (did they?), but rather that it was awful and disgusting and deadly and destructive, etc. I'm not really sure why you'd object to this. I'm not trying to gotcha you here - since you are proposing an anti-religion thought police approach here, this seems like something you should be okay with.

I don't have a problem with military recruitment in high school. The US needs a military just like every other country, and joining the military can be a good job for people who aren't planning on going to college. I don't favor the US colonizing the Middle East - I was opposed to the Iraq War from its inception, although I don't really think that was an example of colonization.

Don't really know what this has to do with religion though. I don't think the Iraq war was a religious war where we tried to convert Iraqis to Christianity or something.

As far as I can tell, the "meat" of your posts is the (so far) unsubstantiated assertion that Organized Religion is the greatest cause of atrocities in World history.

You said in your first post that the "practices" of organized religion should be outlawed. One of the practices of my religion (Christianity) is to feed and clothe the poor. Should I be fined or incarcerated or placed in the loony bin if I offer a thirsty person a bottle of water in the name of Christ?

What 5th century sheep farmers are you talking about? And why are you bigoted toward sheep farmers, anyway? If you're talking about the Bible, how many of the 40 authors of the Bible were sheep farmers?

Stalin tried hard to render his society non-religious. He made little headway. Maybe your prisons and re-education camps will do the trick.

Aren't you actually opposed to the bolded though? After all, this goes both ways - both the state not affiliating with a religion, but also the state staying out of religious affairs. Banning religious practices and imprisoning people for their religion is not that. Anyway, as far as I can tell, American separation of church and state is already pretty beefy. It's more that you want Americans to be less religious. And here I have good news for you, that's already happening: