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09-01-2017 , 01:08 PM
Hi, my name is Robert Cowen, 32 from the UK. For the past 18 months I have been travelling the live circuit and playing tournaments and cash inbetween the events I’m best at (PLO/8 and PLO). Prior to this I was one of the toughest regs in PLO/8, NLO/8 and PLO mtts online for approx 2-3 years. I started traveling because of the schedule changes really crippling my earn potential and sadly that still has not changed.

This is my online player group from when I was playing online full time (don’t have sharkscope anymore to make a new one), it doesn’t include the last couple of scoops/wcoops where I had a few deep runs (last 2-3 tables) in L&M’s and FT’d a H NLO/8 but would have been a loser overall as that’s really all I’ve played online in the past 18 months.



Here is my live record, there’s a FT missing from an LAPC $1k plo/8 mix but I think you get the point; I’m very good at PLO/8 pretty good at PLO and consider myself alright at holdem although I only really play the better value, huge field stuff but have become eager to learn again playing a lot of live cash to keep volume up.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=97873

Having just looked at the wcoop schedule there are some really great events on for my skillset but they are so big ($1k re entries) compared to the other daily tournaments being spread so have decided to seek backing for wcoop.

Have had a couple of successful staking deals off here in the past as well as multiple scores returned to the MP, trades, percentage swaps ect. Am a trusted member of a couple of skype trade groups for reputable poker players and am well trusted within the online and UK communities and can provide countless references to the above.

I’m also open to doing something longer term as I’m sure that’s more appealing to a potential backer although this will probably have to be all inclusive as live poker is far more profitable for the games I play and would have to be a pretty specialist deal. I do think it is fair to say that I will be having a 6 figure score within the next few years from a PLO/8 or PLO event, I’m coming very close and have been working very hard.

PM me for skype.

Thanks for your consideration.

Rob
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09-01-2017 , 01:43 PM
Hi,

I would be interested as a partial backer of your PLO/PLO8 WCOOP package.

I'm not being lazy, I currently work 100+ hours per week, and my Skype won't work (Google Hangouts does) but I'm still completely snowed under with work, so is there a possibility please of posting up your package, the backing terms, how much you want to sell, minimum %, etc ITT.

I may also be interested in being part of your live backing but I would rather do that as a separate entity, or at least invest in WCOOP first and then consider being a backer for your live play, or for your live play + online all in one.

I'm not sure if you're looking for just 1 or 2 big backers for WCOOP and then for live play. Cool if you are, but if you're open to a few joint investors then I may be one of them.

A couple of other things please. I don't play on line so any transactions to/from me would need to be by UK bank transfer (you can charge me FX costs for this) and can you please post some references ITT. On the face of it you look totally sound in that respect but it's still better to be safe from an investor POV.

Good luck and good skill to you with the WCOOP series, whomever you take on board as investors.

Edit: looking more closely at the wording of your OP and that it's in the Seeking Stakes section, I now assume that this is a full staking deal with make up, or something similar, that you are seeking.

Is there some convention that this has to be discussed/agreed in private, or can it not be described by you openly on the forum ITT.

I'd prefer it in the open as deals done more privately have more scope to go wrong. I get why some people would not want their investments in the public domain, but I don't see staking someone any differently to backing someone (buying a piece of a comp or a series). It's all money invested, with risk and reward and if a deal is done it is more accountable if it is struck in this thread.

Last edited by SageDonkey; 09-01-2017 at 02:05 PM.
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09-01-2017 , 08:38 PM
Hi, thanks for your interest.

Regarding your edit; Yes, I am looking for more of a full backing deal for wcoop and potentially beyond depending on numbers and am happy to work with one investor or a group, however I feel a group of separate investors could lead to issues down the road, i.e, one not wanting or being able to continue.

That is why I've posted no details of a package as can sell event by event relatively easily and is not really what I'm looking for. I'm looking to be playing the highest PLO/8 & NLO/8 tournaments running and similar stake PLO tournaments ($25k's would be too high compared to the rest unless selling action outside of the stake).

Also have no issue discussing any deal openly it's just tough to lay down terms when I'm not sure what's on the table; i.e, just a wcoop deal I would expect a lower percentage as higher risk compared to something that would continue through live to the world series or beyond.

References, I've done multiple transactions (sold and swapped action) with Roberto Romanello (thewelshwizard), Adam Owen (Adamyid) and Tobias Hausen (khuns89) on a fairly regular basis (although not sure how often if at all they use this forum anymore). Could list countless other reputable players for buying/selling/swaping or just character or ability based. The last backer I had was Vidman on here a couple of years ago (again not sure how often he uses this anymore but all will be easily contactable).
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09-02-2017 , 12:45 AM
Thanks very much for the info above and nice job on the references which are very good ones. I'm going to pass on this as you've made a good point about too big a group of investors. Me being a sole or a joint investor for those kind of stakes is too rich for my blood.

Looking at your stats though and based on my own experience of Omaha comps, there are definitely some big edges out there as very few players in Omaha MTTs are truly specialists, and by comparison to NLHE MTTs there's very little info/training materials out there about how to play Omaha MTTs optimally.

Hopefully you will get the staking and I wish you well in all of your on line and live comps.
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09-02-2017 , 10:31 AM
For the sake of investors here is your actual pokerstars current stats as you say that you don't have SC. Seems like a huge dispersion from the stats you have posted. Obv you could have made profits on other sites but with giving it the hard sell you should also be giving investors the current picture on pokerstars seeing as you are asking for 2k games for WCOOP on stars.

https://imgur.com/a/BTNUU
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09-02-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
Thanks very much for the info above and nice job on the references which are very good ones. I'm going to pass on this as you've made a good point about too big a group of investors. Me being a sole or a joint investor for those kind of stakes is too rich for my blood.

Looking at your stats though and based on my own experience of Omaha comps, there are definitely some big edges out there as very few players in Omaha MTTs are truly specialists, and by comparison to NLHE MTTs there's very little info/training materials out there about how to play Omaha MTTs optimally.

Hopefully you will get the staking and I wish you well in all of your on line and live comps.
Thank you and GL in your games/investments.

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Originally Posted by plolololol8
For the sake of investors here is your actual pokerstars current stats as you say that you don't have SC. Seems like a huge dispersion from the stats you have posted. Obv you could have made profits on other sites but with giving it the hard sell you should also be giving investors the current picture on pokerstars seeing as you are asking for 2k games for WCOOP on stars.

https://imgur.com/a/BTNUU
My roi's were questioned when I accidentally linked the wrong thing in a Skype group full of o/8 players before so I'm hardly surprised by this post and have never really made a point of publicising them other than when I have to i.e, seeking investment because I'd rather just leave people to what they're doing than advertise how far behind some people are. However seeing as I'm looking for serious investment to making life changing money and you have raised a valid point, albeit gone about it in completely the wrong way by creating a new account to hide behind rather than just asking openly, here is your answer.

I've bricked about $40-50k worth of highs until the one I final tabled which is a tiny sample size of roughly 30-35 tournaments of 20-40x my average buyin which will obviously skew my stars graph. And yes I clearly have made profits on other sites, (what an absurd statement to intimate anything else, hence making a player group) not really sure why you're trying to insinuate anything else. I clearly stated in my OP that;

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Originally Posted by robtherock
It doesn’t include the last couple of scoops/wcoops where I had a few deep runs (last 2-3 tables) in L&M’s and FT’d a H NLO/8 but would have been a loser overall as that’s really all I’ve played online in the past 18 months.
I have no problem with people querying my results but if you're going to please have the decency to do so openly rather than making a new account to hide behind because it just feels like an attack on my character rather than a genuine query.

EDIT: Now get back in the bin with the rest of the dumpster regs

Last edited by robtherock; 09-02-2017 at 03:30 PM. Reason: Couldn't resist
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09-02-2017 , 03:52 PM
Honestly, looking at this graph that you have produced it gives investors zero indication of what your Omaha results are.
You say you have won at Omaha and Omaha o8(being one of the toughest players in the world) but you have produced zero evidence of this. Some 2 years outdated group stats. Wondering where you were so tough in O8?

Your current pokerstars stats have you losing overall in Omaha, losing in Omaha hi and a small winner in O8 at midstakes. A massive difference from the outdated stats you produced. I would doubt you have profited 80k in Omaha mtts on other sites. But that's for you to prove to potential investors that are wanting to give a more or less break even player on stars 2k buyins.

You just sound deluded and this is a pretty extreme case of window dressing stats.

I have come out with this post but i'd bet my bottom dollar that many have looked and thought the same as I have seen a few of your sales pitches and it's cringy as ****. Just give the actual facts instead of attempting, well, this.

Even if you have made all this profit from other sites mtt's(which is doubtful to say the least) you are trying to get investors to give you 1/2k buyins on the toughest site for Omaha mtts's by far which you have never really been a winning player on.

I can only guess you shipped some decent nlhe scores on other sites. But that is a guess and I doubt you will disclose anyway.

Sorry to hijack tour thread but it just reeks of shadiness.
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09-04-2017 , 01:48 PM
I'll respond to this fully when I have time between sessions (i.e when have sharkscoped player group to disprove this nonsense).

For now though;

'Honestly' have you read a single thing in OP before getting such a hardon for me that you've created a new account to come and attempt to discredit me. It's my OMAHA player group.

Making false allegations or suggestions that I've padded my player group with other games off other sites (lol, I barely even play NL online) with absolutely zero proof (other than presumably the fact that you can't beat the games for this amount) is outrageous and I don't take kindly to the defamation of my character. Let alone from someone who's enough of a spineless weasel to do it from behind another account.

You apologise for hijacking thread, why do it off a fake account? Just seems like more of a personal attack when you're saying I sound delusional (I guess time will tell), suggest I've falsified my results and call my posts "cringy as ****"

I'll be VERY surprised if you're not some bitter badreg who thinks I'm awful and can't understand how I win/win so much (there's a few of you around) albeit not with this much seethe in them. Please prove me wrong?

I'm obviously now going to break down my player group for full disclosure for someone who won't even disclose their identity. And on a side note I find it a little ridiculous that I'm now effectively going to be doing your game selection for you.

I'll post these within the next few days as playing quite a lot atm (hence the lateness of this response)
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09-14-2017 , 10:28 PM
In descending order:

-Full stats for last 18months for OMAHA (PLO, NLO, PLO/8, NLO/8 and O/8) games.

-The next two are the buyins and time period of the player group I posted in OP along with the graph. The stats aren't identical as must have missed out an old alias but it's clear to see there's no 'shadiness' going on here.

My playergroup stats to date for Omaha games. I've had to exclude 'Hold'em' and 'Any Mixed' games because Sharkscope doesn't include the ~$21k for 2nd in a M scoop which was a PLO/5card PLO mix if you just filter the 'include' then 'Any Omaha'.

And finally unfiltered playergroup with screennames.



Feel like that covers all the issues raised. Thanks.

Oh, I came 2nd to RedPh0enix in the PLO/8 Omania Saturday Special (byfar toughest HU I've had so props) and chopped the PLO Omania Saturday Special as chipleader 3 ways with Ludovi333. Sadly bricked every big wcoop so far but am playing well.
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