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Old 03-12-2008, 03:29 PM   #1
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***Official Staking Thread: Ask for/Offer stakes (for low post count posters)***

***THIS THREAD IS FOR PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A STAKE WHO HAVE LESS THAN 100 STRATEGY POSTS ON TWOPLUSTWO***


WARNING: Many staking deals lead to hard feelings and lost funds. Only enter into a staking arrangement if you trust your partner and if you are willing to lose your investment

Neither Twoplustwo nor its moderators give any endorsement explicit or implicit to any of the posters in this thread. The advice in this thread is not comprehensive and there is no guarantee that you will not lose your money if you follow the guidelines herein

REMINDER: Staking someone with few posts on twoplustwo who you do not know from the strategy forums is a massive risk and is probably a hugely -$ev investment. Staking someone with a lot of posts who you do know from the strategy forums is just a very large risk

It is highly recommended that, if you choose to stake someone with less than 100 strategy posts, that you know them personally or have very strong references about their character and playing ability.

If you are looking to be staked please include the games and levels which you are willing to be staked to play and include all relevant information about why you are a +EV investment.

You are permitted to bump your staking request no more than once every four days.

It would be helpful if you posted your online screennames and screenshots of your pokertracker results, sharkscope stats, or a link to your pokerdb page depending on what games you are looking to get staked for. Realize that the more detailed and professional your solicitation for a stake is the better chance that there is that someone will take you on.

Staking someone is a major risk. Before entering into a staking deal make sure that you have the other person's real name, and telephone number.

Many staking deals fall apart over a misunderstanding. Make sure that you are abundantly clear about the exact levels and games that the stake is intended for. It is highly recommended that you put everything in writing including: Size of stake, games that can be played under the stake, method of splitting profits, termination clauses, what happens if the stakee plays outside of the contract, etc.

Anyone using this thread with the intention of scamming another poster will risk the forfeiture of their twoplustwo account.

Below is some valuable staking advice that has been posted on twoplustwo. If you read a helpful article on staking please send a PM to a mod so that it can be added to this thread.


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This post will be edited to include staking advice. If you come across any advice that you believe would help the staking community please send one of the marketplace mods a PM so that the information can be added to this thread.

Please read that post prior to entering into any staking arrangements. We make no promises however that the information in that post will protect you or benefit you or yada yada please don't sue us




The following comprehensive article was written by Bond18

I’ve had this segment requested a number of times and there seems to be a lot of questions and misinformation within the community about staking arrangements. I’m not the most qualified to speak about being a person who is staking (which is fairly irrelevant since very few reading are interested in starting a staking empire) but I do feel quite qualified in talking about being staked. First, a little history in my experience being backed.

Outside a couple of one off deals I had in tournaments I’ve had two large backing experiences. The first was with a friend from Milwaukee named Rob who knew I had come close to busting my roll. I approached him about backing and he was pretty eager at the chance since he knew I worked quite hard at improving and was trustworthy. Our starting deal was a fairly strange one, he gave me a roll of $10,000. If I lost it I was expected to pay back half through whatever methods I ended up making money from (that is, one day getting a job) and if I won he got 1/3rd of the profits. Basically, I was half staked. I was under Rob from around December 2005 until September 2007. In that period I think I made Rob something like $60,000 for himself, though I’ll never be entirely sure. Our basic arrangement was that I played whatever I thought was appropriate, but always okayed what I intended through him ahead of time and kept things within the bankroll. Our deal ended very amicably with him having made a sizeable profit and my having built a considerable roll with minimal risk for myself. Rob had both my online and live action, though if I chose to take an event off and play it for myself that option was always available to me.

My second and better known arrangement as been my deal with Timex . I told Timex around April 2007 that I’d be going to the WSOP and if he wanted to do any backing for the events I was open minded. Timex put a team together and had us sign contracts that said we were obligated through the entirety of the World Series. When the series was over I had lost him $61,000 and he asked if I wanted to keep going in future live events. We kept the deal running and also included the highest stakes online tournaments (mostly 1k buy ins and occasional FTOPS and WCOOP events) which I am too nity to play. At one point with Timex I was in over $125,000 worth of make up, but at the current point the number sits around $90,000. Our deal is 60-40 in his favor and he is accountable for all loses.

Now on to less self absorbed content; the most frequent question I see asked about staking is what a standard deal is. It’s hard to say exactly what the standard deal is, based on the quality of player, the stakes he’s playing for, his volume of play, whether he’s doing both online and live, etc. It seems though that the majority of staking deals are either 60-40 in the backers favor with make up or 50-50 with make up. As far as deals with no make up are concerned (often done for a single event situation) the standard seems to be 80-20 in the backers favor, though considering the variance involved there those numbers can fluctuate to a good degree.

Next most frequently asked seems to be how to get staked. This is a pretty elaborate topic. I think a list of qualities and steps towards getting backed will be appropriate here:

1. Honesty: First and foremost a player who wants to be backed needs to be considered trustworthy. If you don’t have this you are pretty much useless to a backer. Backers don’t want to operate like babysitters and they don’t want to have to deal with players who might be lying, stealing, or omitting details to them. Having an honest reputation within the community goes a long way.

2. Communication: A player needs to let his backer know what he intends to do and how. He needs to let him know what he needs and what he’ll provide. One of the most common problems in backing arrangements is a player playing an event and the backer and player not being entirely sure if the other thinks he has his action. If there is any event you either intend or hope to play, you always must let your backer know in advance to get approval unless he has given you free reign ahead of time.

3. Quality play: Smart backers know that skilled play is considerably more important than results. I can’t stress enough that just because you have some killer results doesn’t mean you deserve backing. There are plenty of random donks who run hot over a small sample and final table or take down a few tournaments and seem to think they are now entitled to a sweet backing deal. A backer wants to see a quality thought process and skilled play much more than he wants to see a few big tournament scores. If you want to establish a reputation for quality play you really ought to be contributing to strategy discussion in poker forums. It’s not only a great way to improve and learn from some of the better minds in the game, but it’s a way to prove that you think deeply about the game as well. When approaching a backer who is less than familiar with your play be willing to submit a number of animated hand histories for him to evaluate. More can be learned from this than giving them a link to your OPR stats and saying “look how much I crush dude! Ship the stakage!” As Timex puts it: “one thing to keep in mind is that even though you may be a profitable player when covering 100% of losses and getting 100% of profits, that isn't equivalent to being profitable covering 100% OF losses and getting only 60% of profits(which is the situation that the backer is accepting). So if you are a reasonable winner at your games, and think you would like a backing deal to play slightly bigger games, put yourself in the backers shoes and realize that if you aren't killing the smaller games, its difficult for you to be profitable enough at the bigger games to make it a profitable investment for the backer. And also, don't PM me, I'm more or less done looking for new horses at the moment.” Thanks boss.

4. Be easy going and accommodating: A backer doesn’t want to deal with someone who is demanding and inflexible. If a backer asks you to do something that’s reasonable, such as not play a certain tournament, don’t get your ****ing panties in a knot and your ego offended. It’s okay to tell a backer you’d really like to play a certain tournament, but going on and on about how massively +EV you are is annoying and depending on who you are and which tournament you’re talking about, possibly delusional.

5. Keep good records: Both the backer and the player should be keeping records. This will prevent possible mix ups in the future. Nothing quite dissolves a backing arrangement like an argument over money, so make sure you keep close enough track of what’s going in and out that this shouldn’t happen, and if it does, it’s easily rectified.

6. Approaching a backer: It’s pretty well known who the main backers are in the online poker community. The most normal way most are approached is either through PM or email. If you’re some nobody messaging out of the blue I don’t like your chances. However, if you have well respected friends in the poker community who are willing to vouch for your ability and trustworthiness this will help. Be mindful though, that establishing yourself in the community ahead of time is pretty relevant. If you’re a new player who has zero reputation, a few good results, and few connections your chances of getting backed are slim to none. Most of the major backers get numerous requests for backing a day, so your reputation needs to proceed you to have a realistic shot.

Next, people often ask ‘is backing right for me?’ First of all that depends on what you’re trying to achieve. Most people seeking backing are looking to get backed for what they can’t afford, and among internet players that mostly means being backed for live play since the buy ins are so high. Most players would obviously prefer to be staked only for live play and keep online for themselves, though these deals are not terribly common. The majority of backing deals, especially for less established players or new to the backing scene, are for a combination of online and live poker. You need to consider though, that in this kind of deal you run the risk of accumulating a high amount of live make up and then having to work it off with all your online volume, meaning you have no actual income for perhaps months at a time. These kind of backing deals give you the opportunity to make a large live score, but conversely put you in a position you’ll see zero online winnings if you run bad live.

We should also discuss make up. For those who aren’t aware make up is similar to debt but not the same thing. Make up is what you are down on your backing arrangement, but not necessarily money owed to your backer. That is to say, if you are in make up for $50,000, and have a net worth of $100,000 and for some reason are no longer able to play poker, you do not owe the backer $50,000 out of your own money. As far as leaving a backing arrangement in make up for no reason goes, unless you are under contract there isn’t necessarily repercussions in the traditional form of something like a lawsuit (or broken legs) but there are factors to consider. First of all if you leave a backer while in make up for no good reason it is very unlikely you’ll ever find another backer since word of your actions will get around. Also, some would consider this unethical, and it is a considerable grey area of morality. While you indeed have the right to opt out of your staking arrangement while in make up for no legitimate reason, the damage it will do to your reputation in the poker community is something you need to weigh it heavily against. A backer and a player need to set the conditions of what happens when a player is in make up but wants to change or leave an arrangement ahead of time.

Lastly there are two quick questions that often come up. First, in the case of FPP’s, who is entitled to them, the backer or player. The vast majority of the time it is the player who is considered entitled to the FPP’s. The other issue deals with expenses, travel and accommodation can be quite expensive in regards to live poker. While there are some deals that include these, the majority of the time the player is expected to pay these out of pocket.

I hope this settles some of the confusion.

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The following is a sample backing contract for the WSOP events.

Disclaimer: This document was created by a twoplustwo poster and is not endorsed by the owners of this forum. It has not been reviewed by any lawyer. It may or may not be legally binding in your jurisdiction and may or may not be missing vital details that you should discuss with the other party in the deal. Do not enter into deals with people you don’t trust as it is questionable whether this document alone will protect you!


Contract for backing arrangement between [] ("Backee") and [] ("Backers"):
Adjust percentages as appropriate

1) This Contract will be governed and executed under the internal laws of the State of [Nevada]. All of the terms listed and defined herein are assumed to mean exactly what is stated in the Contract.

2) This is the only binding understanding between Backers and Backee, and no other oral or written modifications to this Contract will have any effect, except for the specific options listed in paragraphs 3 and 14.
3) Backers will provide ("stake") Backee with the buy-ins to play a set schedule of poker tournaments (Attachment A). Each Backer will individually pay 1/2 the total buy-in for all tournaments that Backee enters under the stake, for a total of 100% of the initial buy-ins. In return, if Backee receives any prize money in a tournament, he will first refund ("makeup") each Backer's buy-in percentage for every tournament in full, then pay Backers 25% each of any remaining profits from these tournaments, for a total of 50% of the profits after the makeup is calculated.

4) Makeup is defined as outstanding debt from tournament buyins, accrued on a rolling basis. Makeup money must be paid back before any profits are split. For example, if Backee spends $120k in buy-ins and has cashed for $200k, he must pay $120k to Backers (split 50% each, in accordance with paragraph 3) before the remaining $80k can be split as profit. The final $80K is then divided between Backers and Backee on a 25%/25%/50% basis, again in accordance with paragraph 3.

5) If Backee owes makeup at the end of the schedule's completion, or if Backee does not owe makeup but wishes to continue on the stake, Backers have the option to continue this Contract in exchange for providing a further $100k in buy-ins. This means that Backers have a right to stake Backee in any live poker tournaments of their choice – meaning the only live tournaments Backee may enter must be preapproved by Backers under the terms of this deal – until another $100k in buy-ins has been accrued. The terms for this further stake will be identical to those in this Contract, and any existing makeup will continue to accrue. If this option is exercised and ends with the Backee still owing makeup, this Contract will terminate and the Backee is released from all obligations to repay it unless a new Contract is entered into by mutual agreement.

6) Backee may leave the stake at the end of the set schedule of tournaments only if Backee does not owe money in makeup, and in no case before Backee's play in the World Series of Poker Main Event has concluded. For future staking following the listed schedule of events, Backee may leave any time the stake is above the initial investment (including any makeup owed).

7) Any time the overall net profit on the stake, after any makeup has been deducted, exceeds $200k, Backers and Backee will immediately split the profits as stated in point 3. Profits will also be split after any individual win exceeding $400k. The final split of any profits will occur at the completion of the listed schedule of events in Attachment A, unless otherwise agreed upon by both parties as per points 4 and 5 above.

8) All local, state, federal and international taxes, if applicable, are the responsibility of the individual receiving their share of the proceeds under this Contract. Neither Backers nor Backee are responsible for any taxes other than those they themselves may incur as a result.

9) Backee agrees not to be staked by anyone else in any live poker tournaments during the duration of the stake.

10) Backee is not obligated to play all of the tournaments on the list, although he is obligated to play any live poker tournament he enters while the Contract is in effect under its terms.

11) Backers have the exclusive right to veto, modify or accept any attempt of Backee to trade a percentage of his profits with any other player in any given tournament(s). If a trade is accepted by the Backers, Backee and the player must exercise their agreement in writing.

12) If a tournament does not take place for any reason or if Backee fails to enter any given tournament, Backee owes Backers a refund of that tournament's buy-in.

13) Backee is alloted an $8k maximum $ spent on buy-ins (including both rebuys and add-ons) for each $1k rebuy tournament. Any $ not spent on rebuys must be refunded to backers.

14) Money to enter any given event must be recieved by Backee by the morning of that event, unless all parties involved agree to arrange for Backee to receive it at a later time.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Parties hereto have executed this Contract as of the date first written above.

Date:
Name: _____________________________
"Backer"

Date:
Name: _____________________________
“Backer”

Date:
Name: _____________________________
“Backee”

[insert schedule here, on a new page - title "Attachment A"]

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 09-05-2008 at 10:24 PM. Reason: Added bumping rule (from forum rules).
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Old 03-12-2008, 10:38 PM   #2
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Hi I am new here. But I have some experience acting as "Backers"

it is easy to work with me..

I can set-up an online Poker account for you.. I can comp you some money into the account during the trial period..

I just need you to put in 20 - 40 hrs to prove that you get the skill and the time to invest before I am willing to bankroll you.

if this sound good.. just PM me what username you would like to use on the online poker room.

Also let me know what is the typical Poker Stake (Table Stake) you normally play at ?

Anyone who is Interested please PM me.
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Old 03-13-2008, 05:06 PM   #3
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I'm looking for backing to play at live events including the upcoming EPT San Remo, EPT Monte Carlo, this summer's WSOP and more EPT events later in the year. I am already booked to travel to San Remo and WSOP and will be playing some smaller side events, but I'd like to play the EPT Main Events and some of the bigger WSOP events with backing.

I'm fairly well known in the online community, being a regular contributing writer of front page articles for P5s. I've also had a fair degree of online MTT success as enumerated in the following charts. I keep very detailed records to back-up these charts and you can also check my results at OPR or thepokerdb. I currently have around an $80k bankroll which is fine for online mtts, but not enough for big live events.

Pokerstars, Bodog, Mansion, FTP = Zpaceman
Party = Zpace_man
Dise = stu525nl

I've had some live success including a win at last year's Venetian Deep Stack Extravanganza, but feel that a breakthrough result in a big live event is coming and could be facilitated by a smart backer willing to put me into a series of events.

Live results here:

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=76956

PM me please.

Thanks,

Stu



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Old 03-15-2008, 07:42 PM   #4
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I would like to be properl rolled for the Sunday mill DS satts I have played 15 this month and won 4 of them very soft but my roll doesnt permit me to run them daily , If i was properly rolled i could play 20+ a day easily and will for sure turn a profit here is my OPR link http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...3C518.html?t=2 PM if you have any other questions. TY
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:15 AM   #5
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Hey guys

Been grinding out 5nl to 50nl for the last 6 months with good results.


Would be interested in getting staked for 100nl or 200nl

Would be willing to put up a percentage to get a better return.


Email me and I will send PT stats etc.

Not in a rush so looking for a good deal
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:53 AM   #6
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lookin to be stakedfor wsop. contact me if interested. and i will give you my informations

staking 100%, included expenses, for an 80/20 winnings share.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:38 AM   #7
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Hi "PrettyOld"

I am try to return your PM to me. To see if I can work a deal to work with you as a Backer.

I am getting the following error message when I am try to PM you back..
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PrettyOld has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.
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Can you change the setting ? thx



Mod note: PrettyOld had been banned and his post has been deleted

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Old 03-19-2008, 12:51 AM   #8
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folks
nobody is gonna stake u for NL 50
if u can't beat nl 50 enough to get a roll on your own, why do u need backers?
like a decent sized roll is 500$ there.. go work at mcdonalds for a few weeks..
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Old 03-19-2008, 03:25 AM   #9
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folks
nobody is gonna stake u for NL 50
if u can't beat nl 50 enough to get a roll on your own, why do u need backers?
like a decent sized roll is 500$ there.. go work at mcdonalds for a few weeks..
Alan,

I disagree. There are many hugely +ev investments at micro limits. It is possible to have a much greater edge in a 50nl game than a 5000nl game. If someone is in the business of staking it might make more sense for them to find 100 players to stake at 50nl rather than putting all of his funds in one player at 5000nl.

By investing in several microstakes grinders the backer will allow himself a greater expectancy as his horses edges should be much larger than a good player in a 5000nl game. Furthermore, investing in 100 players at 50nl will drastically reduce variance in the backers portfolio.

Many people have had their rolls decimated by real life concerns and if they are trustworthy, make good posts in the micro forum, and are proven winners at microstakes then they could certainly be worthwhile investments.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:03 AM   #10
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But that begs the question why would a good microstakes reg be desperate for $500?
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:52 AM   #11
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But that begs the question why would a good microstakes reg be desperate for $500?
a) Reread the last sentence of Cornell Fiji's post.

b) It's not about being desperate. It's about reducing financial risk.
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Old 03-20-2008, 09:37 PM   #12
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I am looking for a longer term backing arrangement (1 month or longer) to play MTTs in the $20-$100 buy-in range.

My screenname on Pokerstars and FTP is Beatbookie. Please sharkscope or OPR to see my stats.

My poker story and why I am asking for a stake:

Been playing for about 3-4 years. Started out grinding SNGs and eventually moved my way up the MTTs. Biggest cash is $14K for a second place finish in the Bodog 100K. Also won numerous tourneys on FTP and Stars for 4 figures.

Last March, my wife and I had our first child and I started to cash out all winnings for bills, etc... Went on a downswing and busted my roll; couldn't redeposit so I asked for stakes. Mattster24 staked me starting last August. While being staked by him, I got 3rd in the Pokerstars nightly $150K for a little over 11K. Also had couple of other 4 figures cash. We ended the stake deal around October/November I believe. Since then I have continued to run bad and again need a stake, but Mattster24 is not taking any new stake at this time.

Please IM me if interested and I can talk more details. I will also be sending a nightly spreadsheet with all tourney info that I play including finish and tourney IDs.

Let me know if anyone has question or interest.
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:11 PM   #13
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Looking for a staker, we should probably start with a short term arrangement like some 45 man sit 'n goes so we make sure we're both comfortable with each other, and I can show you that I can actually play. I would definitely like to work towards some sort of long term backing that includes MTT's also. Please PM me if you might be interested and we can iron out the details.


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Old 03-20-2008, 11:41 PM   #14
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Please be to staking me $50ish to play some low buy-in MTTs on Stars. I am good at donkaments (I read poker books) and honest(I will not steal your monies or light them on fire at .50/1 PL Omaha). I am free to play 1 or 2 tourneys nightly after 9PM and all day Sundays. Thinking 50/50+ stakeback is fair. Look me up here:
http://officialpokerrankings.com/pok...67E27.html?t=2
and PM me and we can iron out details.
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Old 03-22-2008, 11:09 PM   #15
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mod edit: Please stop creating accounts to try to scam people in this thread.

mod note: Just another warning to everyone: Make sure that you know the person who is asking for a stake. There are bad people out there looking to steal your money. If you don't personally know somebody to be a good player either by watching them play, reading their posts in the forum, or having someone you trust vouch for them, then you probably should not trust them with a stake.

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Old 03-23-2008, 12:23 PM   #16
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I have accrued the BR to play $50+5 tourneys comfortably at my own staking, but I would like to find a backer for the Sunday majors (The Brawl, 750k Guaranteed, and The Mulligan) on FTP only. Here are my stats: http://officialpokerrankings.com/ful...B28E8.html?t=2

Again this would only be a staking for the weekly tourneys, so if you're interested just PM me and we can work out the numbers. You'd be the backer, so I'd obviously give you a little leverage.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:20 AM   #17
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PICK ME !! PICK ME !!
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Hi Guys (and Gals),

Ever since I came accross this thread on staking, it has occupied my thoughts re: opportunities. So I am posting here for 2 reasons, 1 to get it off my mind and 2. to possibly make a connection (moreso for the future).

I currently play $50 and $100 HU SnG's with very respectable numbers. (Naturally the more I play a level the nicer the numbers get over the longer term).

What it is I am offering, is to run a series of 4-6 of the Sunday $215 HU MTT's, with an above avg. share for the backer (If I'm being fully backed). Though it would take a pretty long post to fully present myself (I will leave that for a phone conversation to more interested parties).

I will display the one most compelling graph of why I am so confident I can do it (the HU streak graph produced by sharkscope). I have an almost superb 6-1 win/loss streak ratio of 5+ streak games. (currently I have 64 win streaks of 5+ wins in comparison to only 11 loss streaks of 5 or more games).

And this HU MTT is about winning 8 consecutive times (or at the very least 6, to cash decently). I believe (while trying not to step on any of the other great HU regulars) that I have one of the nicest ratios amongst all regular HU players.








Interested ??? Send me a PM and we'll exchange phone numbers for a more detailed conversation and analysis. Though, there is no rush on this, I would like to have it done by Mid June (when I plan on heading down to Vegas).
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:59 AM   #18
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fyi this member stole money from the staking site PartTime Poker Staking, just looking out for the stakers here.

Link to his profile showing DNS: http://forum.parttimepoker.com/member.php?u=1623

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Hi Guys (and Gals),

Ever since I came accross this thread on staking, it has occupied my thoughts re: opportunities. So I am posting here for 2 reasons, 1 to get it off my mind and 2. to possibly make a connection (moreso for the future).

I currently play $50 and $100 HU SnG's with very respectable numbers. (Naturally the more I play a level the nicer the numbers get over the longer term).

What it is I am offering, is to run a series of 4-6 of the Sunday $215 HU MTT's, with an above avg. share for the backer (If I'm being fully backed). Though it would take a pretty long post to fully present myself (I will leave that for a phone conversation to more interested parties).

I will display the one most compelling graph of why I am so confident I can do it (the HU streak graph produced by sharkscope). I have an almost superb 6-1 win/loss streak ratio of 5+ streak games. (currently I have 64 win streaks of 5+ wins in comparison to only 11 loss streaks of 5 or more games).

And this HU MTT is about winning 8 consecutive times (or at the very least 6, to cash decently). I believe (while trying not to step on any of the other great HU regulars) that I have one of the nicest ratios amongst all regular HU players.








Interested ??? Send me a PM and we'll exchange phone numbers for a more detailed conversation and analysis. Though, there is no rush on this, I would like to have it done by Mid June (when I plan on heading down to Vegas).

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Old 03-25-2008, 08:47 AM   #19
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Ryan, please explain this post that you made on parttimepoker.com to anyone who decides to back you:



http://forum.parttimepoker.com/showt...84#post3411884
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I'm a POS.

Title says it all.

I suppose you could say I "rolled" my BAP.

I didn't play out of the BR and take a shot. I didn't blow it all playing cash games. Nobody got on my account and stole it. It didn't happen like that.

A few different things happened... I was running low on life funds and had/have money coming in from a few different things (tax return, etc.), I made a few mad calculations when I made my last cashout (forgetting about a few ppl who I still owed money to). So I payed them back planning on either A) Making enough money for my BAP to cover this difference or B) depositing the difference before it came to this. Neither happened. Also, I did lose $200 of the funds trying to grind SNGs on a friends account.

My BAP BR is correct. I should have all the funds that are left recouped within a month. I 100% plan on recouping all of it (but that might not be until I get back on my feet, so to speak).


I take full responsibility for my actions. I'm truly sorry it came to this. I know I lost a lot of (if not all) trust anyone had previously had in me. I have no intentions of running from my mistakes (meaning I'll be able to be contacted if needed).

I'm not sure what else to say... I'm a POS/ flame away/ bumb threads/ etc etc.

-Ryan











Hello all. I'd like to start by introducing myself a little.

My name is Ryan. I'm 18. I've been playing poker for 5+ years now, though only online for ~2. I live in Baltimore with my mother, but only for a few more months then moving with some HS buddies.

Poker is my job. It pays my bills. I'm not wealthy, but I'm stable.


Ok... enough about me. I'm posting this because I'm in search of a solid backer(s).

I'm looking to get backed for freezeouts under <$100 and rebuys $20 and under on Stars/FTP/UB @ 50/50 with makeup.






There are my stats for multis. I feel comfortable at just about any level I play, being MOST comfortable in the $26s-$33s because that's where I've been playing the longest, therein having the most success. I generally don't have more than 1 or 2 $75/$77/etc's thrown into my daily schedules.


A little about my game:

My game has improved leaps and bounds over the past year. 1 year ago, I was a losing player at even the smallest stakes. I've worked extremely hard to get where I am in the poker world/community today.

I've been blessed with the ability to chat poker with some very good online players (mattdogg2443, claw1980, mossified84, greg__chimp to name a few). I'm able to do this through the main forum I post on (www.neverbeg.com, now called PTP).


Previous backing experience:

As you can see, the limp I posted to my main forums is a staking community. I've been running stakes/ BAP (buy a piece) style heebs on and off for the past year. Unfortunately, life has stepped in the way of my bankroll, so I'm back to the grind and playing backed for the sole reason that I'm not properly rolled to play the games that I consistently beat.


I think that about sums it up. If you have any other questions/comments/concerns feel free to PM me.

PS: If you're worried about trust being a factor, I have numerous sources that will vouch for me, just let me know.

EDIT: here are my SS stats if you'd wanna see them for whatever reason.

rmthawk64 1,327 $1.58 $11 11% $2,090 - PokerStars

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Looking for a stake at NL2/NL5 @ PokerStars.

I have about 5k/6k hands at NL2/4 (was a winner), but I lost that bankroll in a NL50 shot during a boring night before a college exam.. (couldn't sleep).

Plan: 20 Buy-ins for starters, moving up when reach 15-20 buy-ins for the next level.

Als was thinking on multi-tabling 6-12 tables

Every other aspect is at your choice..
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fyi this member stole money from the staking site PartTime Poker Staking, just looking out for the stakers here.
Another 17 yr old PTP worshipper. Learn proper use of terms, stealing is the unlawful taking of others' funds without consent or the intention of paying back. They (stakers) gave me their money, I played the wrong thing and lost.

I then re-imbursed everyone the full $1500 of the staked funds.


Surprised admins let such know it all (but nothing worth acknowledging) 17 yr olds in here.

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Another 17 yr old PTP worshipper. Learn proper use of terms, stealing is the unlawful taking of others' funds without consent or the intention of paying back. They (stakers) gave me their money, I played the wrong thing and lost.

I then re-imbursed everyone the full $1500 of the staked funds.


Surprised admins let such know it all (but nothing worth acknowledging) 17 yr olds in here.

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Sheket,

The admins of PTP have branded you as a scammer.

Your undertitle on that site is "Do not stake"

And your avatar is

I deliberated as to whether, as the mod of the marketplace forum, I should delete your request for a stake once this information came to light but since I am unaware of the details of your situation on PTP I decided to let your post stand.

I do believe that the information that you are banned from getting a stake on a staking website due to a backing deal gone bad is highly relevant to your request for a stake here.

I do not believe that Nate was out of line at all in pointing out your troubled past and I would go as far as to say that he did a service to the community by bringing this incident to light. It would have been one thing if you mentioned it in your original post in this thread but obviously you had a desire to cover it up and the information asymmetry is one of the dangerous aspects to staking an unknown player.



I would like to reiterate that anyone looking to enter into a backing deal should make sure that they have the utmost trust in their horse. Some important things to take into account are strategy posts that they have made on 2p2, accumulated good will that they have from past interactions in the poker community, and people whom you trust that vouch for the potential stakee. You should also google their real name, and screennames to see if there is any evidence of them having a shady past. Even if you have the perfect candidate for a stake things can still go wrong. If you have an imperfect candidate then you are probably taking a highly -ev gamble.

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I deliberated as to whether, as the mod of the marketplace forum, I should delete your request for a stake once this information came to light but since I am unaware of the details of your situation on PTP I decided to let your post stand.

Do you really think either way it would make much of a difference at this point ????


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I do believe that the information that you are banned from getting a stake on a staking website due to a backing deal gone bad is highly relevant to your request for a stake here.

I do not believe that Nate was out of line at all in pointing out your troubled past and I would go as far as to say that he did a service to the community by bringing this incident to light. It would have been one thing if you mentioned it in your original post in this thread but obviously you had a desire to cover it up and the information asymmetry is one of the dangerous aspects to staking an unknown player.

Calling me a thief is slanderous. I never stole anyone's funds, and if you dig deeper you will find out I paid back every penny of that $1500 stake. You might claim I had a lapse of judgement in my actions, but being branded as a thief IS WAY OUT OF LINE, and that is what has upset me.


I need not steal to get money in life, all I need to do is sit accross from you at the table. I can make more money at the tables in the time that it requires to concoct such a scam.
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I would like to reiterate that anyone looking to enter into a backing deal should make sure that they have the utmost trust in their horse because of strategy posts that they have been made here, accumulated good will that they have, and/or because people whom you trust can vouch for them. You should also google their real name, and screennames to see if there is any evidence of them having a shady past. Even if you have the perfect candidate for a stake things can still go wrong. If you have an imperfect candidate then you are probably taking a highly -ev gamble.
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cornell,
I think it'd be appropriate to edit a warning into the top of posts from people who get outed as scammers like that. Just would be nice to make it as hard as possible for scamming tards to get people's money.

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Just thought you should know I'm from mexico.
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Looking for a stake at NL2/NL5 @ PokerStars.

I have about 5k/6k hands at NL2/4 (was a winner), but I lost that bankroll in a NL50 shot during a boring night before a college exam.. (couldn't sleep).

Plan: 20 Buy-ins for starters, moving up when reach 15-20 buy-ins for the next level.

Als was thinking on multi-tabling 6-12 tables

Every other aspect is at your choice..
Also interested in low-buyin MTT's with big fields ( x<11 )
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