I'm interested to know this, how muc do you even think more that you deserve?

30% as agreed upon is what I expect. I feel I DESERVE 60%.

Again the 30% is after we determine how much MU you get to recover and how much he loss in other games he wasn't backed for. We need him to help us out to figure that out. We are not using your unproven numbers. You turned this into

"GAME SET MATCH". You called checkmate 2 soon.

number asswipe we know that obviously

It is over. I have told you every amount that I have sent him. He was in MU before yesterday $635. He shipped back $1083. you got your money. 30% of PROFIT after MU. We could show you all the screen shots in the world and you would say that they are fixed.

I expect to take the total in his account from last night. - the money he lossed in OMAHA. Keep in mind he told me he played in a specific time frame. 20 minutes from a specific time. I'll look it up. I'm fairly certain unless he played 1-2 hands at high stake he didn't play Omaha. So again let him prove he loss that other money in Omaha. Even though he shouldn't be playing that game.

I don't know what 30% of the total profits would be. From right now he had close to 1k profit. That would be 330$. However if we're taking MU out of the roll. We get 150$ off top. Which means even the 185$ isn't right you should have shipped me an additional 34$ and change based on your numbers.

Let me guess... Another mistake? I'm done with your mistakes. I followed 2+2 rules completely. If you would of taken an extra step and searched threw all of Legendus post before you backed him. You would of came across my thread a few days earlier with me saying in that thread me and him entered a deal. Not that you are REQUIRED to do this. In the future this may be helpful to you. Consider this a backing 101 tip from Nate.

Sigh.

It seems like Nate's finally dialled it down; it would be great if we could avoid ramping hostilities back up again.

So you really feel that you should get 60% if he took a onetime deal and binked the Sunday Million for over 200k?

That seems so absurd to me. He broke your contract, so cut your losses and stop backing him. Have him send back you stake and % of the profits he made under you.

This all turns into a cluster**** because you're trying to combine 2 deals into one. IMO thess ran his stake and is entitled to whatever % of profits they agreed too, and Legendus his share.

You have the option to end your stake and get the stake back and whatever profit you backed him for. He wasn't playing under your money. thess doesn't owe you the money that your stake lost from your bankroll. How would you feel if the horse lost all of thess' stake playing Omaha and he came after you to get it back?

I did seach his posts dumbass.

And no, the numbers arent off. $630 MU+38MU for you= 668, 1163 won (without the 80 he spent) times 30% equals 148.5, +38 MU=186. And i think 38 is high.

I will repeat this again, just to make sure you understand it.
1K IS NOT PROFITS. IT IS WINNINGS. THERE IS A DIFFERENT.

consider this a backing 101 tip from Tyler

That doesn't explain his missing money. If he didn't have missing money think that MU number would be lower?

If he sends you the 275$ you say he has of yours on Stars. Or it was 240$ at some point (Another mistake). Now I need to know how much that is and if he ships it to you. Again think that would lower the MU? He cashed in 3 other tourneys last night. Meaning he had more profit FYI. I know what he sent you I have his screen shots. I now need his STARS screen shots and histories of the games he's played without permission. So we can dictate how much of our money he played Omaha with.

I'm pretty much ready to lock this thread down and wipe my hands of this, and maybe start removing some Marketplace Approvals while I'm at it if you two can't find a way to make this work. I'm ****ing sick and tired of the whole thing, TBH.

buuuut....he had a contract! and all other contracts are void because he said so! and it says that he still gets paid if the contract is broken! (o wait, no it doesnt, he set the contract up so he could twist it around to make himself the most money no matter what happens, with no specific happenings if there was a breach of contract.

It was always $245. Always. you came up with $275 by yourself.

I'm tired of it too, and if Nate wasnt being such a dick from the begining I would have settled this by now, or if legendus didnt have a compeltely different sleeping schedule.

I mean he should come to me and ask me to play the Sunday Mil. If he doesn't take this step then yes that's the deal HE AGREED to. Now if he came to me and said hey this guy wanted to back me for the Sunday Mil. Can I play? I would look at his volume and as long as he's played the games he's agreed to I would consider letting him play. But if he doesn't then yes I am OWED 60%. Again we aren't asking 60%. I'm just making it clear he OWES us 60%. We are working out an arrangement which would be what happens if this situation (Hopefully they ASK!)

Is this 2 much to ask? If you screw up and accidentally sell 110% of yourself like Legendus does it's simple. YOU PAY FOR YOUR MISTAKE.

Any chance we can all just take a deep breath and step back for a few hours while we wait for Legendus to wake up and start sending some information?

BOBO here's the problem.

[12:38:53 AM] Nathan Grow: hmm
[12:38:56 AM] Nathan Grow: in the screen shot
[12:39:03 AM] Nathan Grow: you won 1100
[12:39:06 AM] Nathan Grow: there wasnt 1200
[12:39:10 AM] Nathan Grow: wheres the rest of the money?
[12:40:05 AM] Kevin van Diessen: Ive lost some with omaha, in the screenshot u will see that ive send thess 1083,44 cause of the fact ive lost 80$

YET PTR says he hasn't played cash since the 15th.... HE LIED. Not to mention I was looking his name up every few minutes. I never seen

The next few lines.

[12:40:27 AM] Nathan Grow: why were you playing omaha?
[12:40:53 AM] Kevin van Diessen: Cause i like it.. its fun
[12:40:59 AM] Nathan Grow: but you had no money
[12:41:12 AM] Nathan Grow: where did the money come from for omaha?
[12:41:36 AM] Kevin van Diessen: huh? I just played it, like 20min ago

He didn't sell 110% of himself IMO. He sold 50% of himself to thess and broke your contract.

Why does thess owe you because Legendus played Omaha?

I'll wait. Anyways you can PM me and the other backer an email so we can start sending documents. I'm fairly certain we're about to bust this guy.

We had 60% of all action of his on FULL TILT. Meaning he can't sell 50% of him self unless it's 50% of his 40% which would need approval from us.

then what happens to paying the buyins for it? and what about the buyins on Stars since you own all of his poker rights for a year?

just wonderin...

We are settled on this, correct? that there is an unaccounted $80 somewhere. You have see all of the transactions, and if he hans't played cash or any tourneys, then its somehere, correct?

bobh@twoplustwo.com

But I've got lots to do, so I don't guarantee I'll get to it tonight or even tomorrow. I'll do what I can. But I'm hoping that with the Euro morning will come some documentation and hopefully you can all come to some agreement on your own.

'tis the plan, I don't see why he has to bring someone else into it if we've already agreed on %s.

Once we come up with the 30% our intentions are to release this player. I'm 99% he's a scammer. At least a threat to the backing community. If this was 1 mistake or if his "Omaha" story on where my money went matched up maybe I'd believe this wasn't intentional. The way I handled the situation cornered him into sending you the money.

The MU would be on Kevin. He would owe that to you like he owes us now. The player doesn't have the money to pay everyone he owes is the problem. We manage to recover some of the money but not all of it. Most backers don't "Get" this lucky. We did be You are welcome.

Now how do we determine this. I added up the buy ins sir. He played 130 and change in buy ins and cash in 4 of those. He should not only have your 170$ he should have more. Plus bounties from that 14$ super turbo he got deep in. I'm guessing you haven't done much research on how much money is really owed to you and how much is missing. Again another mistake.

He's missing a couple hundo at best. Also he said he played OMAHA he didn't. Why did he lie about that? Why hasn't he commented on it, why avoid it.

So it's known. I did send him Skype's/Email's before his last log in of 6:38. If he really wanted this to end. I think he could of sent a screen shot in 1 minute.

I'll wait for his evidence to run the final numbers. I have an idea but they all have to be ran again so why do it more than I have 2 ?

We have %. Your numbers are so skewed. They are way off. I gave you a chance. I explained why they were wrong and your replay was literally "F OFF YOU AREN'T GETTING ANYMORE" Check a few pages back.