haha no it wasn't. He does have final say but we're talking to each other. 2nd this isn't over as far as 2+2 is concerned. I'm not going for money here. This is just to prove a point. You should of read that thread. I READ HIS and contacted the guys he replied to. You need to get better at scouting. I teach that also.


wtf does this PM mean Nate? I have no idea and im done tlaking in private because you just keep running circles

I approached him very smartly. He didn't have much of a choice. I do want to be done with him but it's not typically smart to drop horses in MU. We haven't decided yet we're waiting the out-come of this.

Again based on our contract. This is our decision. It states they will receive written notice when dropped. He hasn't yet. On our records he still owes us another 400$+

The point is when someone signs a contract they are to abide by it.

And I've been told not to hold my breath on the money. It'll be nice if I get it but doubt I'll see it.

HE OWES YOU NOTHING, MU HAS BEEN PAID, THERE IS NO MU DUE!

the money your getting and have agreed to has been shipped

Well then we have a problem. I didn't get the 30% you agreed to ship. 30% of 1k is a lot more then that buddy.

We have an agreement he owes us 60% of all profit.

30% of the profits (Profits equal amount won-the amount used to enter the tournrnaments (ie MU)) is 180. 1K is not profits. 1K is winnings.

He only owe us 150$ in MU.

Bignate you are really sounding like a child. Its getting pathetic over 120$ or whatever low amount it is. You are getting money out of a tourney that you put no money into. Stop acting like such a big baby

Total MU in this case would be the MU between both parties. you shouldn't be getting anything because you didnt even pay for the buy in, I did. I PAID FOR THE ENTRY FEE, NOT YOU! you got your money back. You got what you asked for and agreed to as far as profits. Games over dude. Again.

Here is the first line of the contract. You have a copy.
Contract for Coaching Arrangement between _Kevin Van Diessen _ (Player)
and Poker Advisors, LLC (COMPANY)
1. This is a legally binding contract between COMPANY and PLAYER; no other agreement, written or oral, is applicable.

What this means is that your deal is not applicable. When you asked him if he was backed his answer should of been yes. You told me he told you no. Therefore he lied to you. You should be angry with Kevin not me.

Any MU due to you is not owed to you by us.

Please take this to court, I am begging you to do so.

Judge Judy for the win imo

maybe if you didnt treat your players like **** they wouldn't pull this, or if you realized the fact the english ovbviously isnt his 1st language. Or if you realized what was going on you should have said something (and not waited until he got down to the final 8 or so in the HU tournament,s instead of the 3-4 hours you watched in the 32K.

As I've said it's not going to hold in court. However I think if this player is malicious he should be banned. We need more info from Kevin to figure out how much he owes us. He did say he played Omaha last night. You know that. So we're waiting on those hands correct?

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the only person here being malicious is you in your attempt to ruin him with no facts other than breach of contract, which has already been stated by you close to 100 times.

I don't treat my players like ****. Go to my coaching thread and read my references. I never treated him like ****. He broke the rules and has cause a big headache. I Talked to Collin and Nick from SharkStaking. They both would consider this player a scammer.

Our first lesson we reviewed the contract and I ASKED multiple times if he had any questions if anything didn't make sense. English may be his 2nd language however when I ask him if he understands I expect him to give me a reasonable answer. I would of taken the time to explain this. If you'd like to talk to some of my other students Mods please do so. I will send you contact info.

The fact of mixed opinions about what is right and wrong is staggering. He broke the rules. How do we know he's not lieing? Didn't he lie to you about being backed? Do I need to go and paste private convos? I would like for you guys to review the convos where he admits I got ****ed numerous times. Actually you can go back in the thread he admits it. I am not happy and I have reason not to be.

He can buy out of his MU at anytime.

you would never let him do that. Obviously people you are asking directly are going to side with you, 99% of people don't want to get in a confrontation, just like me last night when you blind sided me on AIM. Unbiased opinions have come in here (like you wanted) and gone against you, but legendus still agreed to give you part of the money, which you and your partner were fine with. now you want more. Don't give into "terrorists" because they will continue to ask for more.

*note, I'm am not comparing him to a terrorist, just using it as an example.

When I contacted Thess earlier today in PM, before any of this began to get 'resolved', he told me the makeup owed to him was $600. FWIW.

Nate, you're all over the place. You want more money, you want all the money, you want 60% of it. You want Kevin banned. You're name calling, people are being rude to you in return. This thread is turning into a clusterF. Please, get your thoughts together and behave civilly in this thread as I asked earlier. What happened to your partner and what are his thoughts?

We've reached the end of our discussion. We have an agreement. We need the backer to send us verifcation and the player to verify missing funds.

AGAIN he sent me 185$. I'm willing to send this to a neautrual account and would appreciate if he would send the money shipped to him to the same account.

After Kevin Verify's and his story HOLDS TRUE. MEANING HE DIDNT PLAY IN UNAUTHORIZED GAMES we agree to 30% of profits. The money in the players account is to be taken from the MU owed to the other backer and any money Kevin used to play other games is to be taken from his profit.

Never stated when you parter agreed to terms. Get your story staight, noone has any idea wtf you want.

My partner doesn't think we're going to get more money. I feel like we've reached the point you guys should review all convo logs and agreement contracts/screen shots and figure out who is owed what. We do have an agreement on the money that was shipped to the backer last night. However BOBO informed me the investigation on if the player is malicious or not will be conducted after this. Ok we're waiting for screen shots to verify how much 30% is. Sorry if it seems like I'm being jackass. I understand I come off that way however I only speak my thoughts. I could use a lesson on how to be nicer on forums.

The players screen shots show there is money missing. The player admitted to playing OMAHA. Any money loss in OMAHA should not come from our part of the deal. He will owe that money.

There's tons of details and dialog you should read to see why I have great suspicion the player is malicious. Yea I'm accusing him and have a pile of evidence. I'll start copying and pasting private conversation if that's what needs to happen so you guys can see all of this. However on the SLIGHT chance this player isn't malicious I felt he should be able to explain himself.

I've mentioned the funds not being correct several times and he has duck and dodged this topic. He has seen it several times but has chosen not to comment on it. We need to figure out how much was in his account and how much he will send back to the other backer on PokerStars. How much 30% of profits is. We agree to 30% of profits. EVERYONE in the party has.

The 30% now is the discrepancy. So we need to get technical with #'s. I would like an unbiased mod to run the numbers please. I will send the funds Kevin has sent me to said MOD as escrow and wish for the other backer to do the same.

FURTHERMORE. ANY LONG TERM BACKERS. Anyone who has contracts with players or agrees to a certain amount of time should voice their opinion. Think about if this was your horse and another backer backed your exclusive player. Because it's higher stakes is not a good reason to take on another deal. If your mid stakes horse takes a higher deal without your permission and you look him up in a major are you wanting your deal/cut? I'm going to assume you will.

As backing deals get more technical and more involved I think it's important we discuss how to rule out these situations. For the simple fact anyone can say this was a mistake ignorance should not be allowed as an excuse. Or else it would only be fair to say "I didn't know" in 2 many cases.

I've had Collin Moshman and Nick tell me in PM how they felt. Hopefully they will make it public. Being 2 of the bigger backers in the game I would appreciate their thoughts.