Just go to PTR or a similar site to see if he has played cash in the last few days. It really isnt that hard....

Are you not reading the comment? The money in his account is showing he did use our money for games not specified in our agreement. You think it's fair to say "Oh well the 26's belongs to the other backer and he used all your money on the other games he wasnt suppose to be playing"

As of right now I don't care he made a mistake. It wasn't 1 mistake it was 4-5+. He SIGNED a contract clearly stating I am owed 60% of that 26$ tourney. All I want is for 2+2 to acknowledge he signed this agreement and it's owed.

Since he's brought another backer into this (Again against the rules) now I'm trying to make it right with HIM. THE OTHER BACKER. I'm very displeased with Legendus. He's cost me money. He owes me.

Dude he didnt cost you money. If he didnt talk to thess and thess didnt send him 170 for the tourneys then he doesnt play that $26 tourney and doesnt get a 1100$ score. Please explain how this cost u money

OK, here's where we're at - NO MORE POSTS FROM ANYONE NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THIS, PLEASE.

I'd like to get this resolved, and then maybe you'll get your chance to fight it out. Or maybe it'll just get locked.

1st I've given him a few hours coaching. Which I will not get paid for.

2nd Instead of playing under another backer he should of been playing under our agreement. Which he wasn't. Think maybe he would of made me some money in the 3's?

3rd I wish thess never would of staked him. It was a breach of contract he did. I'd much rather make his 30% ROI over the next year. I'm sure that figure would of been much more than this score. Now I just want what is owed to me.

4th He used OUR money for games we didn't approve of. Meaning since he broke rules it's only fair to assume he used our money on all of his action which what was AGREED upon.

If you do not back players or understand how backing works you prolly shouldn't offer an opinion here. Any backer in my shoes would feel the same way (Look for the other backers comment).

Bobo, please leave this unlocked even after the situation is resolved. I think there is more positive discussion for this thread after the parties involved have reached their own agreement.

Probably a good idea.

And sorry everyone if I'm coming off like a bit of an ass, but this is a somewhat delicate situation with three parties involved; since they've actually come to an agreement, I'd prefer it not be derailed by others. If it comes apart for other reasons, so be it.

Edit to add: BYN, I'll undelete your post later.

I'm not trying to stir the pot. I get irritated with ignorance.

This is how I see it from my eyes (I've talked to a few big backers about this).
I've been told I'm owed the 60% but I should just take what I can get. Since we have screen shots and legal documents why not just have mods review them and announce the fair decision?

We've agreed on the 30% profit crap. Well my partner agreed I feel we're owed the 60%. Since that's the agreement if we get documents within a timely fashion. (They got our proof early this morning still waiting on the other backer for his)

I'd like to have this info fairly quickly, It doesn't take long to forward mail.

Nate, you parter has already accepted the deal and told me that he has the final word. I have shipped your money. The only left is to figure out 100% sure what the MU owed is by proving to you it's 600. if it's not, you will get more money.

I haven't read this entire thread because it is mostly just each side trying to prove their point. But I have read each argument. The fact of the matter is that if the horse signed an agreement with you so that you have 100% of his action on fulltilt then it is nothing more then a contract. A rather stupid one I might add. Now besides your stupid contract, lets use common sense. You would have never put him in these tournaments in the first place. So you're expecting to get money out of this is quite ridiculous. Your money was never used to play these tournaments. This looks like a huge misunderstanding and the horse does not seem to have intentionally scammed anybody at all. He saw an opportunity to play a series of tournaments from a reputable backer that evidently has more faith in him then you do. Because its a bigger buy in tournament. The exact buy ins doesnt matter, but figuratively a backer putting a horse in $1 tournaments, and having a contract that says if somebody puts him in a $200 tournament. He gets 60% of the action is damn near ******ed and should have never happened in the first place. I'm sure the horse would have never agreed to that at all if his native language was English. So the only thing you have is a breach of contract. You can terminate your contract if you please and request that the make up be payed from your stake. Other then that, you should not be owed a single penny. And I pretty much think you're way out of line for even thinking so.

This is an example of the ignorance I'm talking about. Any of my horse's who play for me are not allowed to play for other backers. IN FACT SO MANY deals are structured like this.

HOW MANY PLAYERS CAN ONLY PLAY FOR 1 BACKER? NUMBER OF HANDS PLEASE?????????

IT IS COMPLETELY REASONABLE for backers to ask this. So that horses don't get into MU and start playing for other guys. I give these players coaching. I take hours and invest in these kids. THOUSANDS of dollars I've paid to learn this info I'm passing along.

As said a dozen times. This guy scammed us. WHERE ARE THE SCREEN SHOTS?

Since I've checked my email I'm now asking the mods to handle this. I'm done dealing with biased people. You guys honestly have no clue. If "Breach of contract" isn't a big deal. You guys are saying right now that no horse is to follow any agreement made. HE IN FACT DID use our money to play these games.

BOBO please take this from here. I have received a 185$ no where close to 30%.

Bignate, just chill out and try and deal with this like a sane person. Yelling/carrying on wont help you and will actually turn people off to your side/actual argument. there are plenty of smart people on 2p2 who are reading this thread who will eventually chime in on what they feel is right.


I would comment from my perspective, but bobo wants to get this over and done with.


I also thing this thread should be left open for more discussion after everyone is paid and after Bignate chills a bit

I'm sending screen shots and my contract to the mods. He needs to explain the missing funds. We made a deal that still hasn't been carried out. I just want to get this resolved I'm done discussing this. We obviously have a different opinion on what our contract says and what we're owed. I hope 2+2 will rule that the agreement the player made is binding to their board.

If you are so mad he breached the contract then end the staking agreement and drop him as a horse. Im just still unsure why u think all this money is owed to you when you would never consider putting him in these tourneys in the first place.

Your only argument is breach of contract and well good for you but why is it that everyone that has come into this thread thinks you are not thinking clearly and not right about the situation? Are we all wrong???

That works ! He got all the coaching and time for free. I mean that's reasonably fair.

some people just arent commenting.


the horse was 100% wrong in playing anything else on the account. just cause bignate wouldnt have put him in those mtts, doesnt mean he can play them and thus bignates contract is void.


the horse made the mistake, and the horse should pay for it. it doesnt matter if it was a 100% honest mistake or not. the fact still remains he made a mistake.


If i was involved in this, i would talk to the other backer and most likely say "hey, lets just split this money and be on our way" i wouldnt really want to deal with a horse who obviously has no respect for me as a backer.

I was ****ed by a horse about a week ago. he played out of roll with MY MONEY (not another backers) and won a tournament. All i got was my stake back. You have got above and beyond your stake back. I was told I was lucky to get the stake back at all. You're getting even more, and he didn't risk any of your money on this particular tournament. You were the one who wanted to post on hear to get unbiased opinions, and now your getting them, and you're acting like a complete child.

What? Do you honestly think you are just gonna stake these players forever?? LMAO get real man. So you put some coaching time in. Well guess what...that was your decision and no one elses. Either dont complain about the coaching or stake better players that dont need coaching for what you are staking for.

You clearly are not thinking with a level head anymore

We did this, he agreed on a split, and now he's backing off of it yelling wolf.

you arent gonna get all the time/effort you put into this deal. get over that.


just try and get what you are owed in a respectful manner and leave it at that. you have a right to be somehwat upset, but dont get crazy with it.

Totally agree the horse was wrong but lets remember that bignate coached this player and apparently wants to stake him forever so his time does not go to waste. Bignate you are not as right as u think about this

What if I'm looking for serious players who want to get sick at this game and make thousands? What If I'm looking to train high quality players for a year giving each student 2-5 hours a week ? I ask for a year of playing under me in return. Don't know what rock you've been under but there's tons of deals where backers ask students to play for them for a set amount of time. This is no different.

Not forever only the year he agreed to.

We agreed to 30% which is closer to the 300$+ margin. I only received about half of that (15%).

Serious players? High quality? No offense to legendus but you backed him for $3 games. Dont use serious and high quality as adjectives for someone playing that low. Im laughing really hard that you just said that